found honda with 6 speed is this a k20?

Rod Midkiff

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the valve cover is removed so I am guessing the motor is junk, but still could be a good parts car for a k20 swap.?

what do the k20 people think?
 
If the emission plate is any clue it’s a 1998? And a 6th gen accord so an F series engine. Not sure displacement or power. Not a k20.
 
what are the thoughts on the 6 spd? And any of the puters or wire harnesses. should I try to pull anything from it for a future k-20?
 
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Rod Midkiff said:
what are the thoughts on the 6 spd? And any of the puters or wire harnesses. should I try to pull anything from it for a future k-20?
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Here's a quick reference;
K-series engine Information

K20A

Bore is 86 mm & Stroke is 86 mm for all of the K20 engines.

* Found in:
o 2007- Honda Civic Type-R (FD2)
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 11.7:1
+ Power: 225 bhp (225 PS, 165 kW) @ 8000 rpm
+ Torque: 159 ft·lbf (215 N·m) @ 6100 rpm
+ Redline: 8600 rpm
o 2001-2006 Honda Civic Type-R (EP3)
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 11.5:1
+ Power: 212 bhp (218 PS, 158 kW) @ 8000 rpm
+ Torque: 149 ft·lbf (202 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
+ Redline: 8600 rpm
o 2002-2007 Honda Integra Type-R (DC5)
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 11.5:1
+ Power: 217 bhp (220 PS, 162 kW) @ 8000 rpm
+ Torque: 152 ft·lbf (206 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
+ Redline: 8800 rpm
+ I-VTEC Engagement: 5600rpm
o 2003-2007 Honda Accord Euro-R
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 11.5:1
+ Power: 217 bhp (220 PS, 162 kW) @ 8000 rpm
+ Torque: 152 f·lbf (206 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
+ Redline: 8800 rpm

K20A2

* Found in:
o 2002-2004 Acura RSX Type-S and 2002-2005 Honda Civic Type R (EP3, European)
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 11.0:1
+ Power: 200ps/197hp (147kW) @ 7400rpm
+ Torque: 142ft·lbf (193N·m) @ 6000rpm
+ Redline: 7800pm
+ VTEC Engagement: 5800rpm

K20A3

* Found in:
o2002-2005 Honda Civic Si
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 9.8:1
+ Power: 160 hp (119 kW)* (119 kW) @ 6500 rpm
+ Torque: 132 lb·ft (179 N·m) @ 5000 rpm
o2002-2006 Acura RSX
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 9.8:1
+ Power: 155 hp (116 kW)* (115 kW) @ 6500 rpm
+ Torque: 141 lb·ft (191 N·m)* (191 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
+ Redline: 6800 rpm
+ (* Horsepower and torque calculations reflect new SAE J1349 procedures revised August 2004)
* (The intake manifold is often credited with being responsible for the difference in HP between these two variants. The Civic Si being equipped with an aluminium intake manifold, and the RSX Base model equipped with a plastic version).

(The base rsx makes 10 more lbs of torque then the Civic Si due to the fact of the "plastic" intake manifold and it is a dual runner]

K20Z1

* Found in:
o 2005-2006 Acura RSX-S
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 11.0:1
+ Power: 201 hp (154 kW) @ 7800 rpm (SAE net J1349 Rev 8/04)
+ Torque: 141 ft·lbf (194 N·m) @ 7000 rpm (SAE net J1349 Rev 8/04)
+ Redline: 8100 rpm

K20Z2

* Found in:
o 2006- Acura CSX (Canada)
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 9.6:1
+ Power: 155 hp (114 kW) @ 6000 rpm (SAE net J1349 Rev 8/04)
+ Torque: 139 ft·lbf (188 N·m) @ 4500 rpm / 188 N·m @ 4200 rpm (Singapore)
+ Redline: 6800 rpm
o 2006- Honda Civic (JDM)
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 9.6:1
+ Power: 155 hp (114 kW) @ 6000 rpm
+ Torque: 139 ft·lbf (188 N·m) @ 4500 rpm
+ Redline: 6800 rpm
o 2006- Honda Accord Sport(Europe)
+ Displacement: 1998 cc
+ Compression: 9.6:1
+ Power: 155 hp (114 kW) @ 6000 rpm
+ Torque: 139 ft·lbf (188 N·m) @ 4500 rpm
+ Redline: 6800 rpm

K20Z3

This inline-4 cylinder internal combustion engine is found in the US market Honda Civic Si (2006+) & Canadian market Acura CSX Type-S. It has an aluminium block with an aluminium head, and a bore and stroke of 86 mm*86 mm, resulting in a 2.0 Liter displacement.

* Found in:
o 2006+ Honda Civic Si (FG2 - Coupe & FA5 - Sedan), 2007 Acura CSX Type-S
+ Displacement : 1998 cc
+ Compression : 11.0:1
+ Power: 197 bhp (147 kW) @ 7800 rpm (sae NET Rev 8/04)
+ Torque: 139 ft·lbf (189 N·m) @ 6200 rpm (sae NET Rev 8/04)
+ Redline: 8200 rpm

K20Z4

This inline-4 cylinder internal combustion engine is found in the redesigned Honda Civic Type-R (FN2). It has an aluminium block with an aluminium head, and a bore and stroke of 86 mm*86 mm, resulting in a 2.0 Liter displacement.

* Found in:
o 2007 Honda Civic Type-R (FN2) (Europe Market)
+ Displacement : 1998 cc
+ Compression : 11.0:1
+ Power: 198 bhp (201 PS, 148 kW) @ 7800 rpm
+ Torque: 142 ft·lbf (193 N·m) @ 5600 rpm
+ Redline: 8200 rpm
+ 16V DOHC I-VTEC changes from low speed cams to high speed cams at 5,600 RPM

K23A1

* Turbocharged
* Found in:
o 2007/2008 Acura RDX
+ Displacement: 2300 cc (acura.com)
+ Compression: 8.8:1 (acura.com)
+ Power: 240 hp (179 kW) @ 6000 rpm (SAE net)
+ Torque: 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 4500 rpm (SAE net)
+ Redline: 6800 rpm (acura.com)
+ Bore: 86 mm
+ Stroke: 99 mm

K24A1

* Found in:
o 2002-2006 Honda CR-V
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm (3.43x3.90 inches)
+ Compression: 9.6:1
+ Power: 160 hp (120 kW) @ 6000 rpm
+ Torque: 162ft·lbf (220 N·m) @ 3600 rpm
+ Redline: 6500 rpm

K24A2

* Found in:
o 2004-2008 Acura TSX
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm (3.43x3.90 inches)
+ Compression: 10.5:1
+ Power: 200 hp (147 kW) @ 6800 rpm (2004-2005)
+ Power: 205 hp (150 kW) @ 6800 rpm (2006-2007) *SAE Net Rev 8/04
+ Torque: 166 ft·lbf (225 N·m) @ 4500 rpm (2004-2005)
+ Torque: 164 ft·lbf (222 N·m) @ 4500 rpm (2006-2007)*SAE Net Rev 8/04
+ VTEC Engagement: 6000 RPM
+ Redline: 7100 rpm

K24A3

* Found in:
o 2003-2007 Honda Accord (Europe and Japan) and 2003-2007 Honda Accord Euro CL9 (Australia)
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm (3.43x3.90 inches)
+ Compression: 10.5:1
+ Power: 189 hp (140 kW) @ 6800 rpm
+ Torque: 164.5 ft·lbf (223 N·m) @ 4500 rpm
+ Redline: 7400 rpm
+ VTEC Engagement: 6000rpm

K24A4

* Found in:
o 2003-2005 Honda Accord, 2003-2006 Honda Element
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm (3.43x3.90 inches)
+ Compression: 9.7:1
+ Power: 160 hp (119 kW) @ 5500 rpm (166 hp in 2007/2008)
+ Torque: 161 ft·lbf (218 N·m) @ 4500 rpm (@4000 rpm in 2007/2008)
+ Redline: 6500 rpm

K24A8

* Found in:
o 2006-2007 Honda Accord
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm
+ Compression: 9.7:1
+ Power: 166 hp (124 kW) @ 6000 rpm
+ Torque: 160 lb·ft (217 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
+ Redline: 6500 rpm
o 2007-2008 Honda Element
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm
+ Compression: 9.7:1
+ Power: 166 hp @ 5800 rpm
+ Torque: 161 lb·ft (218 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
+ Redline: 6500 rpm

K24Z1

* Found in:
o 2007-2008 Honda CR-V
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm (3.43x3.90 inches)
+ Compression: 9.7:1
+ Power: 166 hp @ 5800 rpm
+ Torque: 161 ft·lbf @ 4200 rpm
+ Redline: 6500 rpm

K24Z2

* Found in:
o 2008 Honda Accord LX/LX-P trim models
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm (3.43x3.90 inches)
+ Compression: 10.5:1
+ Power: 177 @ 6500 rpm
+ Torque: 161 ft·lbf @ 4300 rpm
+ Redline: 6800 rpm

K24Z3

* Found in:
o 2008 Honda Accord EX/EX-L trim models
+ Displacement: 2354 cc
+ Bore and Stroke: 87 mm x 99 mm (3.43x3.90 inches)
+ Compression: 10.5:1
+ Power: 190 @ 7000 rpm
+ Torque: 162 ft·lbf @ 4400 rpm
+ Redline: 7100 rpm

This is a good source of various K info;
http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?42932-Engine-STICKY-Links-Questions-Look-here-first!
 
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Rod Midkiff said:
what are the thoughts on the 6 spd? And any of the puters or wire harnesses. should I try to pull anything from it for a future k-20?
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Rod,

If you are planning a future k20 swap, I would keep on walking/driving past this accord. Not much (if anything) will swap over or help. Keep an eye out for civic SI (for a k20a3) and Honda integras for the k20a2 and of course the RSX-s. TONS of JDM imported engines as well. Also the Acura TSX sports the k24a2 (or JDM version with k24a3 like the one Hussein is using) which is also a great swap option. Basically, you are not going to be able to swap out different series drivetrains and intermix easily (F series transaxle will not work with a K series block, etc.,)

I would keep an eye on eBay or Craigslist and look for a complete swap option. You can get a low mile k20a2 (~50k) + trans + wiring harness + ECU for under 3k. When one comes up, snatch it. I recently got a k20a2 swap ready engine off eBay for 2400 from Canada. Came crated to California.
 
cool! thank you for the referance list and advice. I do know I want to power up an X to some real hp. But is a project for down the road. (no time or money for toy's right now). But I do want to keep an eye out for the right deal to drop on my lap!!:);)
 
However, there is a part in there you likely would want: the shifter mechanism in the passenger compartment, it is a metal assembly and can be modified to run your shift cables to the transmission.

Pretty sure it is this particular model, easily verified by pulling up the plastic/leatherette shift cover.
 
Rod Midkiff said:
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the valve cover is removed so I am guessing the motor is junk, but still could be a good parts car for a k20 swap.?

what do the k20 people think?
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Cool that you have actual junk yards to peruse - those are long gone in my area. You need to look for a motor top that looks similar to mine - has "i-VTEC" on the manifold cover, and NO distributor. You may find a junked older ricer that has already been K20 swapped, you never know...

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With my turning my thoughts towards a B swap instead of K swap and am looking back at this again.

Memory is telling me it does have a 6 speed in it. and a Honda lookup page said this car only came with a 5 speed. maybe it's already a motor swap?

or am I just letting my dreams overwhelm reality?

(might be able to get this free or very cheap) and parts izz parts!

If this is the stock motor it shows it runs out at 150hp (a bit low on the rpm's) as I do like the spirit of the x1/9 and its high revving motor!.


https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/1998/Accord-Sedan/specs#mid^CG554WPBW
 
Not being versed on Japanese vehicles, I'll admit it was a bit confusing trying to figure out what Honda's to look for when searching for a particular engine, trans, and the right extra components. And I was only looking because of curiosity to see how the "B" series compared to the "K" series in availability and price (no intent to actually do it). Honda seems to have changed things often and with so many models to choose from, well you'll end up spending a lot of time researching the subject before you can start looking for a donor car. But ideally if you identify the years, models, and packages that have what you want, then you hopefully can get one donor car with all of the things you'll need and save money in the long run. I never did figure out exactly what the best choices would be for a "B" swap.
 
Run, don’t walk away from this. If you want something inexpensive to put in an X, the B series engines are a much better way to go. The A series engines are also CCW rotating so the engine will be on the driver’s side. This is an old engine design relatively speaking.

The B is lighter puts out more power and will be easier to package into an X
 
going to go look at it again. I remember it being 6 spd car and the Honda lookup page I found said that year only had a 5 speed available.
 
Rod, I thought that question was already answered earlier in this thread? Re-read the prior posts, it isn't a B nor K. Or am I misunderstanding something?
 
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