Dr.Jeff

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My current X came without any keys. Eventually I will get to my locksmith to have some cut (need to take care of several other things first), but in the mean time I am trying to remember:

As far as I know all X's came with two key patterns (cuts); one for all locks except the ignition, and another pattern for the ignition only. But I can't recall if the key 'blank' is the same for both, or do they use different blanks (key core) as well? In other words, does either key slide into any/all lock cylinders (even if they won't turn it)?

Thanks, Jeff
 
Different keys. Factory would be a small oval cased in rubber and an all metal key for the doors, glove box, and trunk handles. You can get close replicas from keys4classics.com. Correct size and shape but not embossed with Fiat.
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They will not interchange.
Regards
 
Thanks, you might have answered what I wanted but just to be clear...
I am wondering if the actual "profile" of the blanks are the same (the configuration of the longitudinal channels, etc). Can one type blank be cut to fit any of the locks? And by that I don't mean can one key be cut to work in all locks at the same time. Perhaps another way to say it, is there one blank that could be used to make any of the keys? Also I'm not looking for original keys or ones with any specific style head and I'm not concerned with what they look like or what is embossed on them. My interest is only with the functional portion that interfaces with the lock cylinder. Will the same blank slide into all of the cylinders?
Like I said you might have been saying that but it is not clear. Thanks.
 
No, the channel cuts along the length of the keys are different. The blanks won't fit into the lock cylinders at all. I will see if I can find the profiles.

Late Xs used a double sided ignition type cylinder which added an additional key type which is pretty rare now in the US.

Karl

This shows most of the variety of key types across th Fiat line over the years. You will note that there are similar key heads but different key bodies, so when you buy keys be mindful of the
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Typical ignition at the top, this key comes in two different bodies depending on year as I recall so choose wisely. It's pretty obvious when you look at them. Door, glovebox and trunk pull at the bottom.

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Yep I got where you were going and Karl is right without factoring cut the keys will not slide into the others cylinders.
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The door key has an extra channel and the channel widths are slightly different. I suppose with the right wear the key with the most channels might fit in both cylinders. But even if you could get the blanks to fit you would need to use the key one way on the ignition and the other way on the rest of the cylinders.
A locksmith that is good could probably make this happen for you. 35 years of using these keys make it familiar but even in 1981 it was an intuitive system.
Regards
 
One of the best things is that you cannot lock your keys in the car as it requires a key to lock it. No push down the button and pull the handle out tricks like on our Miata
 
One of the best things is that you cannot lock your keys in the car as it requires a key to lock it. No push down the button and pull the handle out tricks like on our Miata
You have to work it a bit but you can actually lock your keys in your car. If you want to require an unlock service you will first have to defeat the aux rear trunk cable then you just lock up your car with the rear trunk popped and toss your keys in the rear trunk and voila! Call a locksmith...
Being a sailor I have a highly developed capability of messing things up... a gift some might call it. :)
Regards
 
You have to work it a bit but you can actually lock your keys in your car. If you want to require an unlock service you will first have to defeat the aux rear trunk cable then you just lock up your car with the rear trunk popped and toss your keys in the rear trunk and voila! Call a locksmith...
Being a sailor I have a highly developed capability of messing things up... a gift some might call it. :)
Regards

Hah! As they say we are constantly breeding a better idiot...kidding. Did the same thing on my VW Golf years ago which is similar. The frustrating thing was I could look at the keys in the rear hatch glass. Both as the hatch was closing and the hour I waited for my wife to be able to bring the second set to me...

If you create a hole in the rear panel you can use a stiff wire to unlock the rear trunk with ease. The reason I know this is that on my first X the main wire and the emergency wire to the rear trunk both failed and I had to drill a hole.

You might want to drill it now so its there for the next time, don't worry it will always be covered by the license plate and you can put a rubber filler in the hole to keep it water tight until you need it.
 
Thanks guys, it was a bit difficult to accurately express my question at first but you definitely answered what I was after. :)

When I first saw the car (without any keys) everything was locked up. First we used a coat hanger to unlock the driver's door, but turns out that door latch had a broken pawl and even after getting it unlocked it still would not open from the outside handle. So then we unlocked the passenger door with the coat hanger. From there we could open both doors. However the levers for the rear trunk and engine cover were also locked. Next we discovered someone had previously drilled a hole behind the license plate (as Karl describes) so we were able to 'jimmy' the trunk open. Unfortunately the emergency cable was broken, so had to remove the service access panel between the trunk and engine bay. From there we could reach through and unlatch the engine cover. The glove box lock is broken so no problem there, but the ignition cylinder (and therefore steering wheel) was also locked. In order to turn the steering wheel to move the car I had to drill out the non-removable bolts from the lock housing and remove the entire ignition lock assembly. What a long, frustrating process. But still faster (and likely less frustrating) than waiting for AAA to come unlock it (IF they could).

Back to the keys issue. Wow Karl, excellent display and explanation of the various keys, thanks! Given the way Fiat does things I honestly would have thought there might have been only one or possibly two key options for all Fiats over all years. When you look at online sellers of blank keys they usually only show one option that reads "fits Fiats". There is never any identification or clear photos or description to tell which Fiat key they are offering. So how do you get the right one? Especially when you don't have any original keys to compare with? Is it possible to identify the proper blank numbers (for the doors and the ignition) by the year of X or by some code on the lock cylinders? The door cylinders have a 4 digit on the ends but I don't see any code on the ignition cylinder (might have missed it, will look again).

I will be taking them to my locksmith to get keys made but I know from experience that he likely does not have any Fiat blanks on hand. Usually if he does have the blanks he can do the job while I wait, but if he doesn't then I'll have to return after he orders them (and he is in CA while I am in NV, so not convenient). That's why I was hoping to pre-purchase the blanks.

I guess I will find out when I see the locksmith, but does anyone know if the ignition cylinder can be reconfigured to use the same key as the other locks? Given the blanks have different profiles it won't be easy like with other makes, where all cylinders fit the same key blank so the little tumblers (pins? or whatever those little blades are called inside a lock cylinder) can be swapped for ones to match an existing key. But not sure if they can change the actual cylinder profile to accept the same blank? Although I like to do most things myself, some things I leave to specialists and locks aren't my thing.

Thanks again.
 
No I don't believe it can be. The slot in the key is in a totally different place and the lock body is not reconfigurable.

I would be tempted to buy a new ignition switch with new keys and make copies of those. The door locks can be easily adjusted if you get the door lock keys which are the same blank for all years as I recall.

Most older lock shops have Fiat key blanks unless they have cleaned house, I would look for an older locksmith store that has been there for a long time.
 
Ya, kind of figured the actual design of the cylinder would not allow it to be re-configured that way.

Just curious, what would be the advantage of getting a new ignition cylinder (and key) over having a key cut to fit the existing cylinder? Either way its key will be different than the doors', which I will have to get made anyway. Seems like no advantage I can think of?

My locksmith has been around forever but his shop is very small so he keeps a limited supply of really odd-ball stuff (which I consider old Fiats to be). Funny, the last time I had him do a set of keys for a older vehicle he made a comment to the effect; "I don't like doing older cars, and I don't like doing newer cars" (all he does is cars so what does that leave). Tells you how old he is, but he does excellent work and is really affordable.
 
Not much advantage I suppose. A new cylinder might not be so sloppy but then there is the unknown quality of a new cylinder. The old cylinder might be better OE quality.

I would bet your locksmith can look at the cylinder and tell you which blank to buy, its pretty clear when you see it. When I look at my keys the pattern of the blank is quite obvious.
 
Depends on how well the electrical circuits we're maintained but if the starter was allowed to slowly fail and required excessive current to operate you could have some damage to the contacts. The ignition switch is a bit of a hub electrically.
Mine 1979 got a bit fussy and for some reason wanted to be fiddled with before I could turn it. This was either key wear of corrosion in the cylinder?
When your locksmith makes your key it will be pretty close a new switch would be the exact cut for that switch. They come with two keys so one to use and one to cut replicas with...
With most things on these cars it is a trade off when making a repair... New switch would save locksmith service but you my have to modify wiring... It's all a matter of what you want to do.
Regards
 
The keys are pretty simple and they are not sort of different if different. +1 on Karl's comment your locksmith and probably you could tell if a blank might work.
FYI I bought blanks for my '86 they were the "Bertone" key and I bought several. They fit my 1979 as well.
Regards
 
Good point about getting a new ignition lock assembly WITH a new electrical contact ('switch') assembly....

Apparently it has had some of the typical over-load issues at some point; the 4-pin connector behind the switch has been "modified". The brown power wire contact (within the 4-pin connector) had failed, with some usual melting of the plastic housing and burned ends of the wire. But rather than replace or repair it properly, someone cut off the ends of the wire at both sides of the connector, removed the male/female terminals from within the housing, and soldered a short piece of heavy gauge wire THROUGH the plastic housing to both if the cut-off wires (on either side of the connector). As you can imagine I had to cut that wire to separate the connector, which broke off a section of the fried housing in the process. So I will need to replace the entire 4-pin connector assembly anyway.

Regarding key blanks, I will wait until I see my locksmith as he might have them or at least know the proper ones to get. I'll just have him get enough to make spares at the same time.
Thanks guys, much appreciated.
 
Good point about getting a new ignition lock assembly WITH a new electrical contact ('switch') assembly....

Regarding key blanks, I will wait until I see my locksmith as he might have them or at least know the proper ones to get. I'll just have him get enough to make spares at the same time.
Thanks guys, much appreciated.

I went the new ignition lock assembly route, only another option is here:

http://www.keys4classics.com/html/FiatX19.html

If you can find the key code on the tumbler, they will cut them for you as well. This is a good thing, as they are steel, and most locksmiths will not cut them for you.

Paul Davock
 
If you can find the key code on the tumbler, they will cut them for you as well.

Thanks Paul, I'll look closer at that site.
On the ends of the door lock cylinders there is a 4 digit number. Is that the "code" they can cut the key from? And they can do it without having the locks there?
However I do not see any codes on the ignition cylinder (but maybe I haven't taken it apart enough to see it). Any idea if that one has a code and can be done the same way (remotely) if I decide to keep the original ignition lock?

Thanks
 
O.K., I took a closer look at the "Keys4Classics" site. I think it answers my questions above, and I will email them with the information I have to confirm if it can be done. But if you can offer more input from experience I appreciate it as well.

Rocco, you mentioned the "Keys4Classics" site earlier but I did not think it would help without having existing keys to compare with, so I did not investigate it at that time...I should have.

Paul, thanks for the added info, it got me in the right direction. This is especially helpful because I no longer live in the state where my long trusted locksmith is located, so I will try this on-line route to see how it goes (I tried a local locksmith for something else and was not satisfied at all). Actually, even though my locksmith has excellent prices, I think doing it through this site may be the same or possibly less!

Thanks everyone again.
 
Rocco, you mentioned the "Keys4Classics" site earlier but I did not think it would help without having existing keys to compare with, so I did not investigate it at that time...I should have.
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Very cool! I'm glad you did take a look at the site! I have had very good service from them. I had keys to copy so I didn't need to use their cutting service. Since they are rather out of the way for us I ordered extra blanks... Which I will now use on my new X! I really like the factory size/style of key so ,for me, that is an added bonus. The keys are high quality reproductions.
When I mention a vendor it is always at a whisper... Not sure why but I just usually don't mention them.
Either way I am glad you got a look at the site and hope you get your lock situation sorted out.
Regards
 
When I mention vendors I try to mention all of the ones I know. Different people have different experiences and I want them to value us as much as we value them.
 
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