Patryk Holc

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I'm building right now a Fiat Uno mk2 sx for a rally.
Engine bore and stroke is 80.5x67.4
I want to replace injection for bike carbs, put x1/9 1500 euro spec cam, 39.5 intake valves, make a new 4-1 header, skim and polish the head.
The question is how light should be a flywheel to keep some torque?
 
Welcome to Xweb Patryk! :)

I can't answer your question, but hopefully another member will have some ideas for you.
 
welcome Patryk ! what displacement will be your motor eventually? did you choose long stroke\small bore to enhance the low rpms torque?

feel free to document your project with a bulding thread here..
 
Jim D
Thank you for the welcome :)

fastx19
I'm thinking about something between 7lb ~ 8lb

ghostdancing
My displacement is 1372 ccm
Yes, it's a long stroke engine. This is engine code 160.A1.046.
I want to achieve 100 hp from it.
I can't put a turbo into it because I will be moved to higher displacement class.
 
Jeff, you are right, brain fart. Sorry about that Patryk. In case anyone is curious, here are the different specs on Uno's.
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Hi everyone!
After long time of collecting some unusual parts I decided to put everything together.
Current spec:
-Euro 1300 cam
-Tipo head with 39,5 intake valves and 2mm skimmed
-Fiat Punto 1.6 mpi 4-2 manifold and fiat ritmo 85s 2-1 exhaust
-Fiat Tempra weber tlde carb
Only missing thing to get more power will be lighter flywheel
If I get atleast 90hp I will be happy
 

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Tipo head on an 80.5mm bore might be an issue, depending on which head you have.

Stock tipo that uses the 39.5mm intake valve is from an engine with an 86.4mm bore, and the combustion chamber is approx 86mm across the centreline of the valves, obviously this wont work mounted onto an 80.5mm bore as the fire ring won't have a surface to seal on....

There is also a tipo 1372 that uses a suitable head, that comes fitted with 37.5/33.4 valve sizes standard, the combustion chamber is approx 80mm across the centreline of the valves, so made to suit the smaller bore engines and might in fact be a more suitable choice for your build.

37.5mm intake will handle a seat throat size of 34mm easily, stock is about 32mm

39.5 valves fitted to an "narrow" combustion chamber just doesn't work very well flow wise, the periphery of the valve is severely shrouded as it is too close to the combustion chamber wall.

Your choice of intake manifold and carburettor is "interesting"... that style of manifold doesn't flow particularly well, and the carby also leaves a lot to be desired from a performance perspective, both are primarily designed for economy and trying to maximise torque.

SteveC
 
Hi everyone!
After long time of collecting some unusual parts I decided to put everything together.
Current spec:
-Euro 1300 cam
-Tipo head with 39,5 intake valves and 2mm skimmed
-Fiat Punto 1.6 mpi 4-2 manifold and fiat ritmo 85s 2-1 exhaust
-Fiat Tempra weber tlde carb
Only missing thing to get more power will be lighter flywheel
If I get atleast 90hp I will be happy
Cześć Patryk,

that Tempra carb looks interesting. It almost looks like a SPI injection module. Nice project: good luck with it!

Cheers,
Dom.
 
Hello Patryk,
I am very interested in your progress on your project.
What kind of pistons are you using with your carb motor?
Most turbo style pistons are low compression.

Does the Fiat Uno mk2 1372cc motor use the same connecting rod length as the 1500cc x19?
I am considering getting one of these engines to rebuild if I could use new Scat 1500cc rods.
Thanks for the info.
Kent
 
Hello Patryk,
I am very interested in your progress on your project.
What kind of pistons are you using with your carb motor?
Most turbo style pistons are low compression.

Does the Fiat Uno mk2 1372cc motor use the same connecting rod length as the 1500cc x19?
I am considering getting one of these engines to rebuild if I could use new Scat 1500cc rods.
Thanks for the info.
Kent
Hi, I have no idea. My engine is a non-turbo one. As I read on Wikipedia it looks like there is a different stroke and bore, I think those connecting rods are other.
 
Little update.
The engine project was moved to the side after the damper ended in a boot.
As we know old fiats have got small issues with corrosion. I could scrap it but I believed it was a
great opportunity to learn to weld. With 'little' help from my father I finished strut mounts and one sill.
This summer I should finish the bodywork and come to the engine.
I got a few questions now.
Can 1.6 tipo engine with weber IDF single carb and 1300 euro cam go above 100hp?
 

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Does the Fiat Uno mk2 1372cc motor use the same connecting rod length as the 1500cc x19?
I am considering getting one of these engines to rebuild if I could use new Scat 1500cc rods.
Thanks for the info.
Kent
Yes the 1301 (80.5 x 63.9) / 1372 (80.5 x 67.4) / 1495 86.4 x 63.9) and 1581 (86.4 x 67.4) SOHC engines all use the same 128.25mm connecting rod. in fact the block heights for all four of these engines is the same as well, the differences are in the piston compression heights, with the 1301 and 1495 at around 34.7-35mm, and the 1372 and 1581 at around 33.3-33.5mm

@Patryk Holc 1600 is a better choice, as it has much more torque.

You will learn this as you learn to drive rally, it's not about the horsepower you have, but the torque and it's spread across the rev range that makes a rally car fast... so don't aim at a 100hp (Kw) number, think more in terms of lb/ft (Nm) of torque.

The other thing with rally cars (I've built a few) is getting the gearing correct i.e. choosing the correct final drive ratio. It can transform the way the car drives as gearing is a torque multiplier.

but yes a 1600 sohc (thats about 90hp and 90ish lb/ft stock with the spi manifolding) could get to 100hp / 100 lb/ft with reasonable breathing / exhaust and the euro cam. Personally I'd be looking for a single DCNF manifold as opposed to a single IDF as I think it will fit better into the uno engine bay / hood clearance, and a 40DCNF flows more air than a 40IDF if both have the same choke size fitted. In following seasons you still have plenty of scope for improvement by upgrading and increasing the static compression ratio and choosing a cam to suit your needs.

SteveC
 
You will learn this as you learn to drive rally, it's not about the horsepower
Absolutely. In my yewth.... First rally car [Mazda R100], every cent I had went into power. Very stupid. Very fast between accidents is the result. If I had my time over again, every cent would be in suspension, tyres, brakes and general durability.
 
Can a Fiat 128 1100cc 80mm cylinder head be converted to use on the 1372cc Uno Mk2 block?
I am searching for new 80.5mm 14 bolt cylinder head with no luck.
This is for a non turbo application. I want to use twin Weber carbs.
 
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