Solyndra may be a hot potato...

Pretty bad...

and with the three ugliest words in the political matrix "no bid contract" (think Halliburton and whoever in Afghan/Iraq)
When the LAT does this Obama better beware. This is straight money transfer to a profit.
 
However

the services of Halliburton have been used by several administrations. Significant efforts (think Gulf War... the Balkans... current Iraq/Afghanistan operation) require a corporate entity with the ability, technical know-how and resources required for the undertaking. That's why you'll see corporations like Bechtel and Halliburton engaged.

This award doesn't appear to pass the "smell test".
 
I think your ...

partisanship is showing.

The argument as regards Halliburton and others has been made, when required, many times but that doesn't make it anything other than repetitive special pleading. If looked at critically it amounts to saying the following:

The American taxpayer having already born the cost of the most expensive military in the world (and in history) also must pay the tab to a for-profit monopoly to provide vital support to that very military when it goes to 'war'. Now, there are a couple of pertinent and obvious questions here; why can't the military provide that support itself? If it is deemed more cost effective to have the private sector provide it, on what basis, in the absence of material competition, can there be any possible way of knowing that?
The fact that only one contractor is competent to provide these services says that something is fundamentally wrong with the idea in the first place. Saying that Halliburton has been at a long time is simply saying that Willie Sutton robbed more than one bank. No bid, monopoly procurement stinks and can't pass any smell test at all, the GOP nosegay notwithstanding.
 
meh

That's a common refrain heard from Code Pinkies and other leftwing Democrat partisans, but investigators from the General Accounting Office found Halliburton's no-bid contracts to be legal and probably justified by the Pentagon's wartime needs. Most people don't think it wise to serve our military personnel with the lowest bidder.

partisanship is showing.

The argument as regards Halliburton and others has been made, when required, many times but that doesn't make it anything other than repetitive special pleading. If looked at critically it amounts to saying the following:

The American taxpayer having already born the cost of the most expensive military in the world (and in history) also must pay the tab to a for-profit monopoly to provide vital support to that very military when it goes to 'war'. Now, there are a couple of pertinent and obvious questions here; why can't the military provide that support itself? If it is deemed more cost effective to have the private sector provide it, on what basis, in the absence of material competition, can there be any possible way of knowing that?
The fact that only one contractor is competent to provide these services says that something is fundamentally wrong with the idea in the first place. Saying that Halliburton has been at a long time is simply saying that Willie Sutton robbed more than one bank. No bid, monopoly procurement stinks and can't pass any smell test at all, the GOP nosegay notwithstanding.
 
You're kidding

really? :nuts: You think that wasn't clearly understood? Of course there are no bidders in this case. If it was put out to bid, the lowest bidder is usually awarded the contract.
 
The implication being that the "lowest bid" is somehow going to yield an inferior product or service as compared with other, pricier bids.

Maybe, maybe not. Plenty of examples for both.
 
No I'm not kidding...

and the 'lowest bid' in these instances is the lowest 'qualified' bid.
What the 'no bid' contracts under discussion assume is that there are no other qualified bidders and that determination is made not after the fact of a bid but before hand. So, let's get the issue straight here-Halliburton or the company providing the smallpox vaccine are deemed-by whatever method of being 'uniquely' qualified and that assertion will not be tested through any alternate proposal or bid process and will therefor be completely at the mercy of politics. If this doesn't bother you in the case of Halliburton then in principle it can only bother you on a partisan basis.

I will continue to discuss this issue to some exent but I'm highy aware of being an enabler to you in highjacking discussions in order to get back on your hobby horse about Obama. So, the next time you do that without some clear opportunity for the discussion to be less partisan and more open to general participation on more general issue grounds I'm going to ask the moderators to delete the thread.
I apologize to the others here for allowing myself to prolong these pointless clashes.
 
That's fine

take your ball and run home. This isn't bashing anyone, it's facilitating "transparency". If it's the wrong policy, it's wrong, whoever is in the White House. Crony capitalism is wrong.
 
One last note of...

school yard snottyness to match yours and I will move on to your more interesting recent posts. The point was to make you take your ball and go home if you keep bouncing in in the hallway.:)

Now on tho the Elites and to the Health reform
 
Another 'Western' country blows it.

This time, it was BP losing out to the Chinese. Mostly a story dealing with a process for mono xstal structures, which raises efficiency.
 
The Solyndra mess....

is the best poster child for why the Federal Government should not be in the business of trying to distort markets in favor a current hobby horse technology. The political pressure, the spinning of financial outlooks, the ignored warnings.... It's all just what happens when there isn't real market discpline in force and lots of risk discounted money is floating around. The particulars of a Solydra collapse or the tawdriness of the petty political timing is one thing(a bad thing no doubt) but the original sin here is in being so callow and naive as to believe an industry can be created whole, competitive and durable out of wishful thinking and political largese. If Obama is brought to book on this whole thing it really should be on the grounds of being a sucker or a fool, not a criminal-the former is a long term failing in our politics and the latter just a dog-bites-man-story.
 
Humour is where you find it...

usta in Portland;122804If Obama is brought to book on this whole thing it really should be on the grounds of being a sucker or a fool said:
At a time when $16.4 billion of the $20.5 billion in loans out of the 1705 government-backed-loan program that were granted as of 9/15/11 went to companies either run by or primarily owned by Obama financial backers—individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party, that may prove to be a fatal dog bite. The dog may be rabid.
 
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