So I don't want to replace my regulator, I just want to replace the cable. Anyone know what the ends look like, and how long is it, or is it a continuous loop?
 
I once replaced just the cable, on a '74 with the manual regulator. Cable in the appropriate diameter can be found at a hardware store. Both ends are secured at the regulator so you just need to get the length right; I just matched the length of the old cable. There's not a lot of adjustment so you do have to get it pretty close to right.
 
Have given up on window winder cable on my drivers door. Window secured by wooden wedge wrapped in paper between glass and door edge inside. have all the gear for Bosch electric window, including glass holder and measurement to do conversion. Will gut door of all cable and winders and pulleys to make room and replace with Bosch electric unit bought from Matt at MWB.
 
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This is the best diagram i have seen showing the routing print it out on as big a paper and should at least help and these are the official fiat installment instructions

XI/9 WINDOW REGULATOR INSTALLATION -ADJUSTMENT

The attached diagrams show the window regulator cable winding sequence for the right and left door of the XI/9.

Follow instructions below for window regulator installation.



1. DO NOT remove the metal clip securing the cable tight against the drum until the cable has been strung on all the pulleys.



2. Attach the window regulator to the door panel and start the cable on the top front pulley then following the diagram over each pulley in turn. String the cable on the adjustable pulley last.



3. Slightly tension adjustable pulley and remove the metal clip.



4. Working with the adjustable pulley, tighten the cable until all slack is removed.



5. Lubricate the cable and pulley with light grease.



6. Attach the window to the cable checking to see that it has full travel in both directions.



7. Check for free operation of both window and regulator.
Hi there Maz124s - if you're still on the forum, can you answer a couple of questions about this process?
The metal clips - that's installed from the factory?
Would a photo of a uninstalled unit, possibly NOS, help?
Thanks
 
Hi there Maz124s - if you're still on the forum, can you answer a couple of questions about this process?
The metal clips - that's installed from the factory?
Would a photo of a uninstalled unit, possibly NOS, help?
Thanks
the metal clip is fitted to new - uninstalled regulators to prevent the cable from unspooling and becoming tangled when on the shelf. you leave it in place until you have the cable loosely/ roughly routed over the pulleys. the clip is simply a thin strip of metal that is twisted/bent to stop the wire from unspooling, it's nothing fancy as it's designed to be discarded.

SteveC
 
the metal clip is fitted to new - uninstalled regulators to prevent the cable from unspooling and becoming tangled when on the shelf. you leave it in place until you have the cable loosely/ roughly routed over the pulleys. the clip is simply a thin strip of metal that is twisted/bent to stop the wire from unspooling, it's nothing fancy as it's designed to be discarded.

SteveC
This metal clip?
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That's the one. Yes..

SteveC
Okay, good news. Care to explain how one leaves it 'in place' while routing the cables over the pulleys and thru the window brackets? do you just lightly pull on the cable, unspooling it as you need more? This is a job I hoped I'd never have to do, but here I am. Don't the clips keep the cable from unspooling? I'm afraid to take the tape off. lol
 
take the masking tape off and unroll the looped section of cable leaving the metal clip in place, the metal clip will stop the cable from unspooling from the winder drum, which is what you DON'T want to happen, handle it gently.

Leave the clip in place until you have the cable loosely routed over the rollers, there will be enough cable in the free loop to let you do this. Pay careful attention to the picture I provided you in the other thread as to how the cable lays and crosses over itself, and hope that you've got the correct side winder assembly.

Honestly, if you're having so much difficulty understanding this, why don't you just take the car to someone who knows Fiats and get them to fit it?

SteveC
 
take the masking tape off and unroll the looped section of cable leaving the metal clip in place, the metal clip will stop the cable from unspooling from the winder drum, which is what you DON'T want to happen, handle it gently.

Leave the clip in place until you have the cable loosely routed over the rollers, there will be enough cable in the free loop to let you do this. Pay careful attention to the picture I provided you in the other thread as to how the cable lays and crosses over itself, and hope that you've got the correct side winder assembly.

Honestly, if you're having so much difficulty understanding this, why don't you just take the car to someone who knows Fiats and get them to fit it?

SteveC
lol - FIAT experts? In these parts? That's why I'm learning so much of this myself - there's exactly one 'specialist' who knows these cars within 45 miles, and he's a bit of a piece of work. Thanks for whatever help you can offer, but I completely understand if you're busy
 
just follow this picture to route the wire, remember the LH side is mirror image

x19 right door winder.jpg


I would have thought in sunny California there would be at least a couple of old Fiat guys around still in business....

SteveC
 
so the left side will look like this
x19 left door winder.jpg


there is only one pulley that you get to adjust the tension with, the rest of the rollers are all fixed positions.

SteveC
 
so the left side will look like this
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there is only one pulley that you get to adjust the tension with, the rest of the rollers are all fixed positions.

SteveC
Interestingly, this photo I’m posting shows the regulators unloading the upper/lower wires towards the front of the door, unlike these two photos you’ve posted. Do you think the direction the regulator unwinds matters?

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those pictures also show the cable looping around the lower pulley and crossing above the lower pulley.. which they certainly don't in a 1978...

I've never worked on a 1974... as we never saw the X19 in Australia in RHD until 1978.

but simple definitive check is to compare the drawings to what you have still fitted and working on your passenger side door... and decide for yourself. The three fixed studs for mounting the regulator are only going to fit into your door one way.

SteveC
 
those pictures also show the cable looping around the lower pulley and crossing above the lower pulley.. which they certainly don't in a 1978...

I've never worked on a 1974... as we never saw the X19 in Australia in RHD until 1978.

but simple definitive check is to compare the drawings to what you have still fitted and working on your passenger side door... and decide for yourself. The three fixed studs for mounting the regulator are only going to fit into your door one way.

SteveC
yup.
 
so for future reference, are you going to let us all know which diagram seemed closer to the setup in your '74?

can you post a picture of your door (with trim removed) so I can see if there is a visual difference that gives away why the cable is shorter?

is the adjustable roller in a different position to 1978 door... is the winder mechanism positioned differently etc... as it could give a clue to possible interchangeability of the winder regulators (maybe with only very minor mods).

SteveC
 
those pictures also show the cable looping around the lower pulley and crossing above the lower pulley.. which they certainly don't in a 1978...

I've never worked on a 1974... as we never saw the X19 in Australia in RHD until 1978.

but simple definitive check is to compare the drawings to what you have still fitted and working on your passenger side door... and decide for yourself. The three fixed studs for mounting the regulator are only going to fit into your door one way.

SteveC
The two pictures you posted are correct for the 1974. The picture showing the cables leaving and entering the mechanism towards the front must be for 1977 and up, since that’s when FIAT changed the design I‘m led to believe by MWB.
Which may account for different cable lengths.
 
Currently dealing with cables off the wheel. 🤦🏽‍♂️ How do I rewind them back on the spool? Been trying for the last hour or so, but no luck. Time isn't an issue. But my patience is. 😏 Thank you for any help that's offered. 😊
 
Currently dealing with cables off the wheel. 🤦🏽‍♂️ How do I rewind them back on the spool? Been trying for the last hour or so, but no luck. Time isn't an issue. But my patience is. 😏 Thank you for any help that's offered. 😊
Unfortunately I don't have a link to it, but quite some time back there was a thread where it was explained how to do that. I'll never forget it because it had a picture of the regulator sitting with a huge "rats nest" of tangled cable all over it. And a caption with something like "how the hell do you fix this mess?" :D Hopefully someone else can post it for you. I recall it is a rather frustrating job, but can be done, so hang in there.

By the way, glad you joined - welcome. When you have time please post a thread telling us about you and your car.
 
Currently dealing with cables off the wheel. 🤦🏽‍♂️ How do I rewind them back on the spool? Been trying for the last hour or so, but no luck. Time isn't an issue. But my patience is. 😏 Thank you for any help that's offered. 😊
Did the wire ever become disconnected from the regulator, or is it still hooked up in its factory location? I have to admit I had the same problem, and couldn't quite figure out how to make the rats nest untangle itself properly. Gave up and bought a replacement. But if you do figure it out, make sure to post some photos and a how-to :) Welcome to the Xweb
 
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