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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 2 2001 at 1:59 PM[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<SCRIPT language=Javascript> <!-- var n54_em; n54_em = ""; n54_em = n54_em + "m";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "n";n54_em = n54_em + "u";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "l";n54_em = n54_em + "@";n54_em = n54_em + "w";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "n";n54_em = n54_em + "s";n54_em = n54_em + "k";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + ".";n54_em = n54_em + "c";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "m"; document.write("Manuel Wanskasmith"); // --> </SCRIPT>Manuel Wanskasmith <NOSCRIPT> Manuel Wanskasmith </NOSCRIPT> [/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom colSpan=3><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Well now I really screwed it up... it won't start after doing all the stuff I did (see the history of the problem in the post below, "what the *%^$% happened!? - on May 23, 2001")
It's an 82.
I tried taking all the new plugs and plug wires I bought out and putting the old ones back on, at least it was starting before. When I pulled the plugs they were saturate with fuel from all my starting efforts, so I know the fuel is getting there. I have tested for spark between the coil and cap, and all the plugs... they're all sparking. Why won't it start? What else should I check for if it's just not starting?
And what is that random green wire that is coming out of my alternator with no place to go?
It just cranks over and over and never even sputters or gives a hint of combustion. I at least want to get it started so I can continue to figure out why it runs bad.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]Mark Freeman[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 2 2001, 3:32 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Seems to me that wire has a green sleeve over it. It should go into the wiring harness - this is what triggers the ignition. Although since you're getting spark, sounds like this is hooked up.
Mark Freeman
Newcastle WA
79 1500 dual 36DCNF Autocrosser
80 1500 FI street-under restoration<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 2 2001, 4:06 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 2 2001, 3:32 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Coming out of the distributor cap, what is the wire order? It's an '82. Looking straight on, with the wires coming out of the cap towards me, from left to right, the wires go to cylinders 4, 3, 1, 2. (With the #1 cylinder being closest to the timing belt.) Is this right? I should really buy the service manual.
Also, on the left front side of the engine compartment, there is a little black cover that surrounds the gas cap. Underneath the identical cover on the right side, there is a little Bosch metal box with various wires going to the coil, up front, etc. What is this box? That area is always full of water because it doesn't drain for some reason. Could it have gotten shorted?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]Mark Freeman[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px" vAlign=top><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Bingo! drowned ignition box.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 2 2001, 3:44 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yes, that silver box is the ignition control module, and it being immersed could definitely be the problem.
The firing order is 1-3-4-2 and the rotor turns clockwise. I'm not at home to look at a cap right now but given this, you should be able to follow the connections to their respective corner of the cap.
Mark Freeman
Newcastle WA
79 1500 dual 36DCNF Autocrosser
80 1500 FI street-under restoration<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 2 2001, 4:10 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 45px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->well, the box wasn't drowned in water last week, and it didn't start.... but we did get that big rainstorm here yesterday and that might have drowned it. Anyone have instructions on testing it? I think it's redundant since I am getting spark...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 3 2001, 1:12 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 60px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Manual,
There are two drain holes and usually plastic tubes that drain those two "pockets".
Sometimes its easier, yet messier, to get underneath with a coathanger wire and free the debri from the orifices.
Leaves and junk land in there and then get wet and stick to the bottom... doesn't seem to hurt the left side... but can really cause havoc with the ECM/EIM.
Working on Jeff Zucker's car we found we essentially had NO spark except when we turned off the key... then we had one arc.
That indicated to me that the trigger pulse was somehow not causing a discharge of the coil until the power was shut off... thus allowing the coil to discharge ONCE.
Since yours has been wet... and could have been wet before... the discharge timing MAY be off. The only way we could prove our theory was to swap the EIM with another... and that proved to be the problem.
I think if I were you I would remove and clean the connector to the EIM, check my ignition timing and reinstall.
If I still get no fire... I'd squirt some gas into the FI intake or down the carb throat and then see if I get a cough or fire...
Let us know hou you progress.
Best Regards,
Tony Natoli
1979 X1/9 with 148K and still steamin'
Santa Clarita, CA<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap width="17.9%">[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]Gilles[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 4 2001, 7:25 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 75px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Manuel & Tony:
Last year, after work the car simply refused to start, I went bananas trying to determine the cause, I simply started swapping parts with no luck.
But after I swapped the distributor the car started at the very first try!! The only thing I can assume from my experience is that the magnetic pick up was malfunctioning.
Manuel, I strongly recommend you to borrow a digital multimeter, to print the FI troubleshooting guide (From the forum) and follow the steps.
It tells you all the measurements, resistance and values for all and each of the ignition components, therefore you will be able to determine what is not working up to specs.
After checking each of the parts you can determine what is wrong, let me know since I have must of the parts as spares, that way you can swap them before you buy anything
It's a good idea to drain that compartment and dry the connectors to the ignition module, I doubt that the module ever goes bad, they are kind of bullet proof!
Good luck, Gilles
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 4 2001, 1:11 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 90px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->... but they won't handle an open wire while running!
I don't know what caused Jeff's to fail... as the car ran fine... parked a week IN the garage... then would not start. (He did have some PO wiring problems that may have been a contributor.)
Anyway, my point being that I have read several "warning tags" that said not to disconnnect the ignition wiring while the car was running, as it could dammage the EIM. Wet wiring could simulate the same conditions.
Anyway... I hope yur rite... and I also hope the real problem is as easy to find!
Best Regards,
Tony Natoli
1979 X1/9 with 148K and still steamin'
Santa Clarita, CA<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 2 2001 at 1:59 PM[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<SCRIPT language=Javascript> <!-- var n54_em; n54_em = ""; n54_em = n54_em + "m";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "n";n54_em = n54_em + "u";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "l";n54_em = n54_em + "@";n54_em = n54_em + "w";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "n";n54_em = n54_em + "s";n54_em = n54_em + "k";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + ".";n54_em = n54_em + "c";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "m"; document.write("Manuel Wanskasmith"); // --> </SCRIPT>Manuel Wanskasmith <NOSCRIPT> Manuel Wanskasmith </NOSCRIPT> [/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom colSpan=3><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Well now I really screwed it up... it won't start after doing all the stuff I did (see the history of the problem in the post below, "what the *%^$% happened!? - on May 23, 2001")
It's an 82.
I tried taking all the new plugs and plug wires I bought out and putting the old ones back on, at least it was starting before. When I pulled the plugs they were saturate with fuel from all my starting efforts, so I know the fuel is getting there. I have tested for spark between the coil and cap, and all the plugs... they're all sparking. Why won't it start? What else should I check for if it's just not starting?
And what is that random green wire that is coming out of my alternator with no place to go?
It just cranks over and over and never even sputters or gives a hint of combustion. I at least want to get it started so I can continue to figure out why it runs bad.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]Mark Freeman[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]June 2 2001, 3:32 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Seems to me that wire has a green sleeve over it. It should go into the wiring harness - this is what triggers the ignition. Although since you're getting spark, sounds like this is hooked up.
Mark Freeman
Newcastle WA
79 1500 dual 36DCNF Autocrosser
80 1500 FI street-under restoration<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Coming out of the distributor cap, what is the wire order? It's an '82. Looking straight on, with the wires coming out of the cap towards me, from left to right, the wires go to cylinders 4, 3, 1, 2. (With the #1 cylinder being closest to the timing belt.) Is this right? I should really buy the service manual.
Also, on the left front side of the engine compartment, there is a little black cover that surrounds the gas cap. Underneath the identical cover on the right side, there is a little Bosch metal box with various wires going to the coil, up front, etc. What is this box? That area is always full of water because it doesn't drain for some reason. Could it have gotten shorted?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]Mark Freeman[/FONT]
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yes, that silver box is the ignition control module, and it being immersed could definitely be the problem.
The firing order is 1-3-4-2 and the rotor turns clockwise. I'm not at home to look at a cap right now but given this, you should be able to follow the connections to their respective corner of the cap.
Mark Freeman
Newcastle WA
79 1500 dual 36DCNF Autocrosser
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->well, the box wasn't drowned in water last week, and it didn't start.... but we did get that big rainstorm here yesterday and that might have drowned it. Anyone have instructions on testing it? I think it's redundant since I am getting spark...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Manual,
There are two drain holes and usually plastic tubes that drain those two "pockets".
Sometimes its easier, yet messier, to get underneath with a coathanger wire and free the debri from the orifices.
Leaves and junk land in there and then get wet and stick to the bottom... doesn't seem to hurt the left side... but can really cause havoc with the ECM/EIM.
Working on Jeff Zucker's car we found we essentially had NO spark except when we turned off the key... then we had one arc.
That indicated to me that the trigger pulse was somehow not causing a discharge of the coil until the power was shut off... thus allowing the coil to discharge ONCE.
Since yours has been wet... and could have been wet before... the discharge timing MAY be off. The only way we could prove our theory was to swap the EIM with another... and that proved to be the problem.
I think if I were you I would remove and clean the connector to the EIM, check my ignition timing and reinstall.
If I still get no fire... I'd squirt some gas into the FI intake or down the carb throat and then see if I get a cough or fire...
Let us know hou you progress.
Best Regards,
Tony Natoli
1979 X1/9 with 148K and still steamin'
Santa Clarita, CA<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Manuel & Tony:
Last year, after work the car simply refused to start, I went bananas trying to determine the cause, I simply started swapping parts with no luck.
But after I swapped the distributor the car started at the very first try!! The only thing I can assume from my experience is that the magnetic pick up was malfunctioning.
Manuel, I strongly recommend you to borrow a digital multimeter, to print the FI troubleshooting guide (From the forum) and follow the steps.
It tells you all the measurements, resistance and values for all and each of the ignition components, therefore you will be able to determine what is not working up to specs.
After checking each of the parts you can determine what is wrong, let me know since I have must of the parts as spares, that way you can swap them before you buy anything
It's a good idea to drain that compartment and dry the connectors to the ignition module, I doubt that the module ever goes bad, they are kind of bullet proof!
Good luck, Gilles
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->... but they won't handle an open wire while running!
I don't know what caused Jeff's to fail... as the car ran fine... parked a week IN the garage... then would not start. (He did have some PO wiring problems that may have been a contributor.)
Anyway, my point being that I have read several "warning tags" that said not to disconnnect the ignition wiring while the car was running, as it could dammage the EIM. Wet wiring could simulate the same conditions.
Anyway... I hope yur rite... and I also hope the real problem is as easy to find!
Best Regards,
Tony Natoli
1979 X1/9 with 148K and still steamin'
Santa Clarita, CA<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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