1.6 16v Engine swap

jackytwoshoes

Daily Driver
My sincere apologies if this is a boring repeat of a much asked question, but I can't find much info on swapping in the 1.6 16v engine from a european 90's Brava.

Seems like the top mounts are very similar and the exxie gearbox bolts right on..

Has anyone got a guide full of pics or personal experience of doing it?
 
Shoot!

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Really nice install!

What are you using for fuelling?

I take it the manifold pattern is different to the SOHC head..?

How much did you have to move the engine mounts by?

Thanks mate - it looks a lot better since the engine bay has been painted and all the wiring and plumbing tidied up. That's in "bugger what it looks like - lets just get it on the track" spec. I went back. Stripped the whole car and made it "pretty" afterwards!

Fuelling is DCOE pattern 45mm throttle bodies. Haltech injection. When I get my act together I'll fit the slide throttles I have.

I had to get an intake manifold made. Yes its totally different to a SOHC (crossflow head for starters) and Fiat twin cam (old style) and 16v manifold patterns were so different we soon discarded the idea of modifying a Fiatorque cast manifold as more work than starting from scratch. The smart thing to do for a roadcar would be to use the bottom 1/2 of the standard manifold (which includes the injectors and fuel rail) and mount the throttle bodies to the camboxes (if the engine is tilted backwards a little and the firewall insulation removed it should fit - although not tried) - but mine is a racecar and I wanted nice straight runners. This means that the throttle bodies are in the spare wheel area - and the filter in a box between the seat and the firewall. It makes a spectacular back massager. Anything longer than a lap sprint and you need earplugs. :lol:

Top engine mount was modified to take a standard "dogbone". It was a bit of a gamble to mount it to a cambox that was never designed for that but seems to be doing OK. This may be because I like rubber mounting engines. I wear contact lenses and I don't like the way that hard mounts make your eyeballs rattle. :wink2:

Of course the bottom mount is attached to the gearbox so you don't have to do anything there as long as you are using one of the 128/X1/9 style 'boxes. The engine bolts straight to these gearboxes - but the Regata/beta/strada 105/125/130 twin cam pattern is different so you need to keep it in the family. Despite what you read the X1/9 1500 box is MORE than capable of taking the extra torque/power anyway - so why change?

The front engine mount is a different story. There isn't one. The engine mount attaches to the front of the block under the distributor blank-off plug next to the oil filter and then wraps around to a "leg" that goes in front of the cambelt cover. These pictures should provide some idea.
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On my car I wanted to retain the standard body mounts (as there is a category of racing in this country that calls for a standard block which I may need to compete in at some stage) so we did extensive modifications to the block (rather than the car) which required re-routing the cambelt, modifying the tensioner pulley etc. Not recommended if you aren't looking for a big job or you don't know what you are doing!

So yeah, as engine swaps go its not the hardest one you've ever seen - but as is usual its never as easy as it first seems. I chuckle everytime I read that these engines "drop straight in" to an X1/9 or a 128. I guess it all depends on your definition of "drops"!

Its a nice motor though. Very well suited to an X1/9. Very little weight difference to a SOHC and although the power figures are not spectacular its very torquey even from very low revs.
 
Interesting - that's just what I'm thinking with my Stilo engine. I would delete the left hand idler pulley and re-route the cam belt so it's more like the big brother TC layout. This would give space for the X1/9 snail mount. I don't suppose the original M10 mounting holes are still there in the end of the block - Fiat are so cruel to us!
 
'fraid not. The belt length is also an issue if you're doing this which requires a shorter belt and/or a custom tensioner bearing and mount.

It MAY be possible to put a snail mount inside the belt - but then belt changes would require removing the front mount from the engine. Due to space limitations you would still need to modify the snail mount to fit too.

As I said earlier - not for the faint hearted - and requires a working knowledge about tensioning of cambelts. Certainly beyond my abilities and why I outsourced this to a specialist.
 
Paul's 16v here in Perth uses the stock RH engine mount. I never did the install for the previous owner (a guy called Dean Bicknell) but did have the engine on the floor in my garage and Dean and I discussed various engine mounting options... stock mounts were used AFAIK.

SteveC
 
Bringing this thread back from a while ago...

What's going here? How did this guy manage to fit what looks like the stock belt and the stock x1/9 mount?

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That looks just like I would imagine it if I re-routed the cam belt. This is by "FiatGroup" on the Turbo124 forum and it looks encouraging, at least for us on this side of the water! I have the Stilo engine waiting but I haven't got round to looking at this yet.
 
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I have always wanted this engine as it meets all of my personal likes and expectations:

a Fiat engine
normally aspirated
twin cam 16v
uses the OE transmission
Has the possibility of not changing the packaging of the car i.e. not changing the trunk, the spare tire area, the gas tank or any other major body part as in cross members etc

Things I don't like:
We don't have them here. I missed the ebay listing for the one example now residing in the red white and blue McBride (?) car
It is a torque motor versus a traditional high top end Fiat motor

Either way its great to see some of these installs. I would love to see more details on how it was accomplished.

Thanks for doing the research and development!

Karl
 
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That looks just like I would imagine it if I re-routed the cam belt. This is by "FiatGroup" on the Turbo124 forum and it looks encouraging, at least for us on this side of the water! I have the Stilo engine waiting but I haven't got round to looking at this yet.

So you'd have to drill and tap the block for the snail mount?

Do you suppose the belt would need an alternative tensioner or could you just fit a different length belt?

It'd be amazing to figure this stuff out!
 
If you were to go down the route of the stock ECU, do you think it would be possible to have it decoded? There's a few companies that seem to specialise in unlocking them on the web. Obviously it'd be more flexible using megasquirt etc but if the stock ECU could be used it'd be way cheaper.

If you happen to have the gubbins lying around and feel like sending me the model numbers I could look into it.
 
Another recent "16V swap" thread reminded me I haven't updated this thread. I have been doing a bit of tinkering to fit a snail mount to the Brava/Stilo 16V block. If the weather permits I'll fit up the belt tensioner I have designed and post some more photos.

 
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