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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001 at 10:26 AM[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<SCRIPT language=Javascript> <!-- var n54_em; n54_em = ""; n54_em = n54_em + "j";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "f";n54_em = n54_em + "f";n54_em = n54_em + "_";n54_em = n54_em + "s";n54_em = n54_em + "_";n54_em = n54_em + "c";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "h";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "n";n54_em = n54_em + "@";n54_em = n54_em + "h";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "t";n54_em = n54_em + "m";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "i";n54_em = n54_em + "l";n54_em = n54_em + ".";n54_em = n54_em + "c";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "m"; document.write("Jeff"); // --> </SCRIPT>Jeff <NOSCRIPT> Jeff </NOSCRIPT> [/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom colSpan=3><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->What is the latest thinking on the 79 1.5 Carb vs 80 1.5 FI ?
I am seriously considering flying quite a distance and checking out a (owner described) mint 1979 carb 1.5, always gargaged, less then 15k orig miles, owned by some retirees.
Assuming it is in mint shape, how much am I giving up by going with the carb, vs. waiting and locating a FI model ?
One confusing thing is I have R&T articles that show FASTER 0-60 times (11.1 sec) for the 1.5 carb model, vs. 12.4 for the 1.5 FI ? This has always seemed strange considering the 1.5 Carb is supposed to have 67 vs. the 1.5 FI 75 ponies.
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 10:53 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I've spent time with a few 79s and now some mid80s.
The carb is fine. Pretty darned flexable for jet adjustments and stuff. I used to hit every Weber carb in the junkyard to pull out the jets and built up a little stash great for tuning and tweaking.
The L-jet is very nice, quite consistent, and from what I've seen it's very reliable. Dead simple in operation. I've heard some folks in SoCal had issues with the EFI brains getting hot and the car stalling, maybe it's a climate issue or maybe its a cali emissions deal?
Both are great engines.
In my honest opinion, I would decide based on body condition & electricals over the carb or FI system.
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 10:53 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Go with the Fuel Injected. In 14 years it has been nothing other than a joy to have. Pretty much trouble free and easy to diagnose if you do have a problem. Usually it's just some sensor that needs cleaning.
Also, 79's have a carb and 1500cc engine. If I am not mistaken, there are 79 only parts, which are hard to locate. I had a friend back in the 80's who had suck problems. My other friend with a 79 FI model(CA Only) did not.
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 10:54 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->....all other things rarely are equal! In stock form, the 79 is rather less than satisfying. The emission controls and small carb don't help, and provide plenty of opportunity for things to go wrong.
The FI motor gives a little more HP, but more importantly, it has more torque and a lower, broader power band to boot. Also far less sensitive to cold/hot/damp weather.
That said, there are a number of things than can be done fairly easily and cheaply to improve the carb version quite a bit. Removing most of the emissions devices ( if feasible in your area - most of them are likely no longer functional anyway), adding a 34 DMTR carb, header, and perhaps a mild cam will make a huge difference.
The FI cars are pretty decent in stock form, and the late model 84-> versions are much nicer inside too.
Much depends on how much you want to do, and what's out there.
All this is of course my opinion only - there are some who are quite happy with their stock 79/80 models - no offense to them intended!
Mark Freeman
Newcastle WA
79 1500 dual 36DCNF Autocrosser
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 12:34 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->As im from England, im biased for Carbs, as all Europe exxy`s have them, so the parts shouldnt be difficult to come by, theyre generally no trouble unless the car is not used regularly, or the fuel tank is rusty or dirty, which can blocks up its jets. We dont have any emisions equipment on our cars so see a healthy 85 bhp from them, 0-60 in 10 seconds, that is if the gearbox is up to it
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 4:04 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I thought 79 and 80 car were both "carbed". And 81= were F.I.?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 7:07 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Not all but a few. I guess it was to pass emissions. A friend of mine owned a Fuel Injected 79 he purchased new in CA. It's air flow meter is currently in my 82.
Later Y'all,
James
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 5:02 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->1978 1300 with 61hp...12.3 0-60, 19.0 quarter. 1979 1500carb with 67hp...11.8 0-60, 18.7 quarter. Nov1984 FI Bertone 1500 with 75hp...11.5 0-60, 18.1 quarter. The British Motor tested the new 1979 1500(carbed, European spec) 85hp at 9.9 0-60 and 17.2 quarter using the Weber 34 DATR. In March 1985, Autocar(British) got 10.8 0-60 and 17.0 quarter, European spec car, same carb 1500. I think most of the acceleration I experience in my 78 is merely between my ears. There are probably enough junkyard X's to find an FI head and system to do a retrofit to a 1979. I feel I can recover my investment in mechanical repairs. Body repairs, interiors, etc. are lost money. Are the cars cheap enough to buy both? The later Bertones are much more plush...cloth or leather interiors with electric windows. The 1979 is still a Fiat product. Cheap vinyl, etc. I was stunned by the difference between my 78 and Perry's 87. My door shuts "Clannnggg" ...his shuts "Thunk!" Does anybody in Florida have some X's that Jeff can look at, maybe drive?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 6:29 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->and an '86 1500 FI. Both fun to drive, but the '86 1500 has more torque, smoother accelleration, etc. If that '79 with the low miles ends up being all that (and a bag o' chips), may be too nice to pass up. The '79 that was tested ended up being sort of an anomaly that the R&T guys never could explain. I share the opinion of some of the other guys in this thread, the Bertone models are higher quality. One of the most distressing things that I experienced as the owner of a new '74 way back when was how fast the cheapo vinyl seats split out. 6 months time is all, honest to God. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->But there is no argument that there are definate performance gains.
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Thing is... If the '79 is as cherry as he says... it would DEFINATELY be worth it over the typical later models.
Before ya fly... have him send fotos and post them here... will give you a world-wide opinion before ya go!
(Ya know... with all the cheapness of the '74 and all its problems... little GREEN ONES tug at my heart!)
Best Regards,
Tony Natoli, Two '79s, WHITE FANG and BLACK TOOTH
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->If you are using it as a fun car, drive it on trips on the weekend, etc but very little if any track days, then the FI is probably the way to go.
If you want to go racing, then the carb is the way to go.
Personally, both of my cars are not FI. Both have dual carbs and both are really only for racing, but are still street legal.
Depends on your use.
One last thing, I found the an FI car with a final drive lower than 3.7x to 1 is a really fast car. I owned one in Phoenix for awhile, it would easly cruse at 90 around 4200rpm. Nice highway vechical.
Good Luck
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I've owned a few of both, I'd say the carb cars tend to be better toys,racier, easier to do the carbs/cam/compresion type tuning. FI is good for the daily driver, still tuneable but more limited/expensive. They do pass emisions tests a little easier, if that matters. Myself, I don't expect to own another carb car, but if something realy nice came along...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hi,
Yes, tests of the era showed the carbed cars were faster, but they were wrong. Actually, FI cars got a lot more torque (more usable) and you will need to rev a lot the carbed cars to keep up with the FI ones.
Carbureted cars may be easier to deal with in the past when nobody know how was working FI but now the situation has changed a lot. But carbed cars still got an edge if you inted to modify the mechanics (cams, exhaust, etc.) since it is more tuneable.
If you intend to keep the car stock, a late FI car might be the best choice. BUT I wouldn't let go a good deal on a carbed car, especially if it is a 1500 cc (1979-early 1980).
Have a nice shopping!
Daniel Forest
1980 carbed X1/9, modify into a twin carbs, now awaiting installation of progr. FI
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001 at 10:26 AM[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<SCRIPT language=Javascript> <!-- var n54_em; n54_em = ""; n54_em = n54_em + "j";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "f";n54_em = n54_em + "f";n54_em = n54_em + "_";n54_em = n54_em + "s";n54_em = n54_em + "_";n54_em = n54_em + "c";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "h";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "n";n54_em = n54_em + "@";n54_em = n54_em + "h";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "t";n54_em = n54_em + "m";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "i";n54_em = n54_em + "l";n54_em = n54_em + ".";n54_em = n54_em + "c";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "m"; document.write("Jeff"); // --> </SCRIPT>Jeff <NOSCRIPT> Jeff </NOSCRIPT> [/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom colSpan=3><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->What is the latest thinking on the 79 1.5 Carb vs 80 1.5 FI ?
I am seriously considering flying quite a distance and checking out a (owner described) mint 1979 carb 1.5, always gargaged, less then 15k orig miles, owned by some retirees.
Assuming it is in mint shape, how much am I giving up by going with the carb, vs. waiting and locating a FI model ?
One confusing thing is I have R&T articles that show FASTER 0-60 times (11.1 sec) for the 1.5 carb model, vs. 12.4 for the 1.5 FI ? This has always seemed strange considering the 1.5 Carb is supposed to have 67 vs. the 1.5 FI 75 ponies.
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 10:53 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I've spent time with a few 79s and now some mid80s.
The carb is fine. Pretty darned flexable for jet adjustments and stuff. I used to hit every Weber carb in the junkyard to pull out the jets and built up a little stash great for tuning and tweaking.
The L-jet is very nice, quite consistent, and from what I've seen it's very reliable. Dead simple in operation. I've heard some folks in SoCal had issues with the EFI brains getting hot and the car stalling, maybe it's a climate issue or maybe its a cali emissions deal?
Both are great engines.
In my honest opinion, I would decide based on body condition & electricals over the carb or FI system.
-d
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 10:53 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Go with the Fuel Injected. In 14 years it has been nothing other than a joy to have. Pretty much trouble free and easy to diagnose if you do have a problem. Usually it's just some sensor that needs cleaning.
Also, 79's have a carb and 1500cc engine. If I am not mistaken, there are 79 only parts, which are hard to locate. I had a friend back in the 80's who had suck problems. My other friend with a 79 FI model(CA Only) did not.
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 10:54 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->....all other things rarely are equal! In stock form, the 79 is rather less than satisfying. The emission controls and small carb don't help, and provide plenty of opportunity for things to go wrong.
The FI motor gives a little more HP, but more importantly, it has more torque and a lower, broader power band to boot. Also far less sensitive to cold/hot/damp weather.
That said, there are a number of things than can be done fairly easily and cheaply to improve the carb version quite a bit. Removing most of the emissions devices ( if feasible in your area - most of them are likely no longer functional anyway), adding a 34 DMTR carb, header, and perhaps a mild cam will make a huge difference.
The FI cars are pretty decent in stock form, and the late model 84-> versions are much nicer inside too.
Much depends on how much you want to do, and what's out there.
All this is of course my opinion only - there are some who are quite happy with their stock 79/80 models - no offense to them intended!
Mark Freeman
Newcastle WA
79 1500 dual 36DCNF Autocrosser
81 1500 FI ultimate street X-to-be...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 12:34 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->As im from England, im biased for Carbs, as all Europe exxy`s have them, so the parts shouldnt be difficult to come by, theyre generally no trouble unless the car is not used regularly, or the fuel tank is rusty or dirty, which can blocks up its jets. We dont have any emisions equipment on our cars so see a healthy 85 bhp from them, 0-60 in 10 seconds, that is if the gearbox is up to it
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 4:04 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I thought 79 and 80 car were both "carbed". And 81= were F.I.?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 7:07 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Not all but a few. I guess it was to pass emissions. A friend of mine owned a Fuel Injected 79 he purchased new in CA. It's air flow meter is currently in my 82.
Later Y'all,
James
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 5:02 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->1978 1300 with 61hp...12.3 0-60, 19.0 quarter. 1979 1500carb with 67hp...11.8 0-60, 18.7 quarter. Nov1984 FI Bertone 1500 with 75hp...11.5 0-60, 18.1 quarter. The British Motor tested the new 1979 1500(carbed, European spec) 85hp at 9.9 0-60 and 17.2 quarter using the Weber 34 DATR. In March 1985, Autocar(British) got 10.8 0-60 and 17.0 quarter, European spec car, same carb 1500. I think most of the acceleration I experience in my 78 is merely between my ears. There are probably enough junkyard X's to find an FI head and system to do a retrofit to a 1979. I feel I can recover my investment in mechanical repairs. Body repairs, interiors, etc. are lost money. Are the cars cheap enough to buy both? The later Bertones are much more plush...cloth or leather interiors with electric windows. The 1979 is still a Fiat product. Cheap vinyl, etc. I was stunned by the difference between my 78 and Perry's 87. My door shuts "Clannnggg" ...his shuts "Thunk!" Does anybody in Florida have some X's that Jeff can look at, maybe drive?<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 6:29 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->and an '86 1500 FI. Both fun to drive, but the '86 1500 has more torque, smoother accelleration, etc. If that '79 with the low miles ends up being all that (and a bag o' chips), may be too nice to pass up. The '79 that was tested ended up being sort of an anomaly that the R&T guys never could explain. I share the opinion of some of the other guys in this thread, the Bertone models are higher quality. One of the most distressing things that I experienced as the owner of a new '74 way back when was how fast the cheapo vinyl seats split out. 6 months time is all, honest to God. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]August 9 2001, 9:54 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->But there is no argument that there are definate performance gains.
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Thing is... If the '79 is as cherry as he says... it would DEFINATELY be worth it over the typical later models.
Before ya fly... have him send fotos and post them here... will give you a world-wide opinion before ya go!
(Ya know... with all the cheapness of the '74 and all its problems... little GREEN ONES tug at my heart!)
Best Regards,
Tony Natoli, Two '79s, WHITE FANG and BLACK TOOTH
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->If you are using it as a fun car, drive it on trips on the weekend, etc but very little if any track days, then the FI is probably the way to go.
If you want to go racing, then the carb is the way to go.
Personally, both of my cars are not FI. Both have dual carbs and both are really only for racing, but are still street legal.
Depends on your use.
One last thing, I found the an FI car with a final drive lower than 3.7x to 1 is a really fast car. I owned one in Phoenix for awhile, it would easly cruse at 90 around 4200rpm. Nice highway vechical.
Good Luck
Eric Armstrong<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I've owned a few of both, I'd say the carb cars tend to be better toys,racier, easier to do the carbs/cam/compresion type tuning. FI is good for the daily driver, still tuneable but more limited/expensive. They do pass emisions tests a little easier, if that matters. Myself, I don't expect to own another carb car, but if something realy nice came along...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hi,
Yes, tests of the era showed the carbed cars were faster, but they were wrong. Actually, FI cars got a lot more torque (more usable) and you will need to rev a lot the carbed cars to keep up with the FI ones.
Carbureted cars may be easier to deal with in the past when nobody know how was working FI but now the situation has changed a lot. But carbed cars still got an edge if you inted to modify the mechanics (cams, exhaust, etc.) since it is more tuneable.
If you intend to keep the car stock, a late FI car might be the best choice. BUT I wouldn't let go a good deal on a carbed car, especially if it is a 1500 cc (1979-early 1980).
Have a nice shopping!
Daniel Forest
1980 carbed X1/9, modify into a twin carbs, now awaiting installation of progr. FI
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