Elizabeth Warren teaches us about "Liberalism",

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This is the woman who oversaw TARP and she is said to be the presumptive Democrat nominee who will challenge Scott Brown for Ted Kennedy's old Senate seat. Listening to her, one may wonder, who does she think has been paying her salary over the years of her career in academia, NGO's and government

There is a certain mind-set out there... an "ask first, what your country can do for you" kind of mind-set.

"Nobody got rich on his own"...

Indeed.

What the woman is saying is that since the government "pays for the basics", the government controls everything. What she appears to willfully ignore is that the "factory owner" and his employees paid the taxes that built the road she says he uses to deliver his goods. She includes the usual elitist tripe about the "social contract".

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htX2usfqMEs"]Elizabeth Warren on Debt Crisis, Fair Taxation - YouTube[/ame]
 
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If Obama was half as good at selling liberalism as she is his approval rating might be a lot better. But of course she is still largely wrong (although the first part wasn't all bad). In her list of thing we shouldn't do she might have added the healthcare "reform" law. Also, the list of things that the factory owner benefits from could easily be paid for with half the taxes the government collects and they are almost all local issues. The argument isn't about these things or the level of taxation required to support them. It is about the vast sums of money the government spends above and beyond that. I guess she didn't want facts to get in the way of a good story.
 
makes you wonder

what happened to the democrat party . Was nt it a democrat who said dont ask what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country . maybe the democratic party is the new socialist party and the republican party is the new democratic party.Usta do nt forget im from that socialist country that will be bankrupt any day now.
 
Where you are from is...

irrelevant. The question isn't about Greek bankruptcy, but about, if it is about anything at all, the conclusion drawn that taxes must be raised-or this is what I gather from the reports on this video.
Another issue is, to repeat in a more direct way, why is this news at all? A Democrat talks like a pretty tradtional liberal-where's the story?
Of course when every perception is colored by and every poitical nerve oversensitized to the word TAX.....

I agree with Matthew's comment on this to the extent that the issue is over magnitude and category of spending in order to fulfill the basic public component of the scenario Warren was describing initially, which is more or less uncontroversial if Dan's posted link is to be taken at face value. But again that is just not news either.
What is interesting, perhaps, is that this general line of reasoning used by Warren should get comment at all. Whether her conclusion is a non sequitur from her premise is a matter of legitimate dispute.
 
Remember, vircar

those that have lived through it, well... so what; those that haven't, why, they can teach us all a thing or three... :rolleyes2:

Warren is a proponent of if the government pays for something, the government owns that something. That's why they think they can seize the school curriculum by funding the school lunch program.

Everything the government is able to do is funded by the private sector. The government doesn't have any money unless it takes it from the people who created/worked/earned it. Warren's notion of we're all just one ginormous village is just this breed of lefty's justification for wealth redistribution. With Warren's use of the "pay forward", she is saying the factory owner can't pay back what was done for him, so he must pay it forward to other people who did not directly help him... another way of justifying the redistribution of wealth.

The concrete, asphalt, all of the materials necessary for the construction of the roads Warren says that this privileged factory owner used... the money and everything else associated with building those roads, originated in the private sector.

Warren and her breed believe that nobody should have more than anyone else because nobody accrues wealth without using the labor of other people. The business owner... the factory owner - who created something from nothing - aren't legitimate. Nothing special or praiseworthy about them, because they couldn't have done it without taking advantage of other people as they built that something from nothing.
 
But those people did not create..

something from nothing and you can't possibly prove that assertion about any significant feature of the modern economy anywhere in the world. You can claim it's true and fudge the argument but you can't give a credible account that would be acceptable to any but the first row of the right side of the choir stalls.
 
Stuff being...

your ex nihilo assertion, I take it.

Wow, Augean Stables! Wow, Heracles instead of Hercules. Very impressive:woot:

So, where are all the examples of 'out of nothing is created something entrepeneurship'? Some little enterprise down in Galt's Gulch? The local Kool-Aid factory perhaps? Whipped up out the primordial nothingness? :hmm::hmm::hmm:
 
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don't be so defencive, stop throwing a benny and just put some ice on it. :wink2:

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