Vido Peran

True Classic
Where the diodes are hidden - in vinyl sheaths
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The diodes in the wiring to raise and lower the headlights on the
'74 X1/9 aren't neatly mounted on terminals on the back of the rotary
switch housing at the lower end of the motor and protectivelyly encased
in green sealant as on later models. Instead, they float free by their
pigtail leads as a bridge between the ends of each of two wires which
are part of the cable sheathed in black vinyl exiting from the 4-prong
connector C19 (for the left headlight) or C20 (for the right headlight)
and the terminals on the plastic block embedded in the cover plate of
the rotary switch housing.

Each tiny cylindrical diode is less than a 1/4" long and about as
wide as each color-coded multi-stranded wire. The wire carrying the
"raise" current is gray for each headlight, and the wire carrying the
"lower" current is green/black for each healight. The banded end of
each diode is on the side nearest the rotary switch, and they are
EACH CONTAINED INSIDE A SMALL BLACK VINYL SHEATH about the width of a
color-coded wire, and the sheaths extend from the end of the cable to
the plasic block. In other words, the diodes are INVISIBLE - you have
to slit the sheaths open to find the diodes. The solid wire pigtail on
the cable side of each diode is spliced directly to its cable wire,
and the solid wire pigtail on the rotary switch side of the diode is
soldered directly to a terminal on the plastic block.

In my car, the pigtail of the diode for the "lower" current broke off
at the end of the diode inside its vinyl sheath due to a combination of
corrosion and decades of cable flexing from road shock. This break could
not be seen until I slit open the vinyl sheath.

My decision to use a diode rated for 3amps (in the 1N54xx series)
turned out to be much larger than the OEM diodes and was definitely
overkill - but no harm done - and they only cost 25¢ apiece. I mounted
them on a 5-terminal terminal strip from Radio Shack. I solder-spliced
multi-stranded wire to the ends of the 2 wires from the cable and soldered
the other ends of the wire to a terminal on the strip holding the non-banded
side of a diode. From a terminal on the strip holding the banded side of
a diode, I soldered a multi-stranded wire to the terminal on the strip
and the other end to a terminal on the plastic block. The soldering job
was a mess, partially due to a need for a 3rd hand and no bench vise,
partially due to using stranded wire and no solder-sucker.

I put a some gear grease on the worm gear which turns the rotary switch
to replace the little amount which seemed to have seeped out over the decades
of use, and I smeared a thin layer of silicon sealant near the edge of cover
plate and let it dry over night to let it act as an extra layer of gasket
to aid the original paper gasket. Then I re-bolted the cover plate to the
rotary switch housing.

I attached the terminal strip to the center of the rotary switch cover
plate using a screw which APPEARS to be for putting some pressure on the
center of the rotating disc in the rotary switch. I then tested each current
path from the 4-prong connector to the plastic block, noting that current
would only pass in one direction. Then I painted all the exposed conductors
with Liquid Electrical Tape - a bad move.

I then re-installed the motor, bolting the headlight housing control
arm with the housing in the same position as when I removed it (I think),
and re-connected the ground wire and tested it, and re-connected the
4-prong connectors.

The headlight DID NOT MOVE. It used to not go down. Now it goes
neither up nor down. :-(

One possible cause is that in soldering the stranded wires to the
terminals on the plastic block, I softened the plastic enough to that
one or more of the "finger" contacts on the other side of the plastic
block which slide against the rotating metal disc got pushed back so that
the plastic re-hardened with the "fingers" no longer pushing against the
disc. I shall have to investigate this when I have the time. For now,
at least the motor is re-installed, and I can raise and lower the headlight
manually by spinning the knob. I'm easy to please. ;-)


Lessons learned
---------------

1) Clean off the entire assembly with solvent and paper towels to remove
all the grease and caked-on road grit BEFORE you open the rotary switch
housing.

2) Use a solder-sucker or solder wick to remove the solder from the
terminals of the plastic block so that attachment of the new wires
can be directly to the terminals and not to a wad of solder left on
the terminals during removal of the previous component. This will
reduce the amount of heating needed to attach and re-attach wire that
just doesn't want to grab hold of the terminal because the hole is full
of hardened solder.

3) Use solid wire, rather than multi-stranded wire. It's a lot easier to work
with for splicing and attachment to a terminal. Just leave enough length
so that the wire doesn't have to bend sharply when everything is put into
place.

4) Use a bench vise to hold the rotary switch cover plate so that the cover
plate is not resting on the bench with pressure on the "finger" contacts
underneath it when the plastic becomes softened by the hot solder.

5) Test the entire assembly for electrical continuity, including the
continuity between the "finger" contacts and the motor all the way
to the motor's ground wire, BEFORE you encase all the exposed conductors
in Liquid Electrical Tape.


The purpose of the diodes - protection
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(See schematic on page 301/302 of the '74 X1/9 Workshop Manual.)

The 3 "finger" contacts in the rotary switch slide against a metal disc
which has 2 approximately 30-degree gaps which pass under the inner and
outer "finger" contacts, the gaps beginning 180 degrees apart on the face
of the disc. No gap passes under the middle "finger" contact, so it's always
in contact with the metal disc, and it connects through the headlight motor
relay coil to ground.

When the headlight switch is transitioned from the 1st to the 2nd or 3rd
positions, voltage is transmitted through fuse N to the "raise" diode, through
the outer "finger" contact, through the metal disc to the middle "finger"
contact, to the motor relay coil, and on to ground. The current through the
motor relay coil pulls the arm supplying power to the motor into contact with
the voltage transmitted through fuse B, energizing the motor to raise the
headlight housing and to turn the rotary switch disc. Eventually, the "finger"
encounters the outer 30-degree gap in the metal disc, the current is interrupted,
the relay coil is de-energized, the relay arm pops up off the power contact and
into connection with ground, stopping the motor with the headlight in the fully
raised position (if the linkage is adjusted correctly).

When the headlight switch is transitioned to the 1st position, voltage is
transmitted through fuse M to the "lower" diode, through the inner "finger"
contact to the middle "finger" contact, to the motor relay coil, and on to ground.
This leads to energizing the motor in the same direction as before, turning the
rotary switch disc in the same direction as before, to lower the headlight housing.
When the inner "finger" contact encounters the inner 30-degree gap, the motor
stops with the headlight in the fully lowered position (if the linkage is adjusted
correctly).

Through most of the operation, both "raise" and "lower" fingers are in
contact with the metal disc. But only the appropriate "finger" contact is
energized by the position of the manual headlight switch, and the inactive
"finger" contact just floats. So what are the diodes for?

My guess is that they are to block any inductively caused transient currents
from the relay coil (when it is de-energized) from pitting the associated rotary
switch "finger" contact and the leading edge of the 30-degree gap. In other words,
they are not logic components, they're protective components. And they appear
to work - the contacts in 41-year old rotary switch were amazingly clean.


VidoP
 
My guess is that they are to block any inductively caused transient currents
from the relay coil (when it is de-energized) from pitting the associated rotary
switch "finger" contact and the leading edge of the 30-degree gap. In other words,
they are not logic components, they're protective components. And they appear
to work - the contacts in 41-year old rotary switch were amazingly clean.


They really are "logic" components. If one finger touching the disk is energized, then the disk itself will be energized, and therefore any other fingers touching the disk will be. This is, of course, what we want to happen with middle finger because that's how we activate the relay for the motor in this pod. But it also means that we energize the third finger any time that all three are touching the disk - and that third finger is directly wired to the rotary for the other headlight. If it weren't for the diode preventing current from flowing from disk to finger to other headlight, that would start the other headlight moving. This is why if the diodes fail in such a way that they conduct in both directions, you get blinky-winky lights - one or both pods continually cycle up and down.
 
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Bravo! Thanks for the point-out.

My error was to assume that "the inactive 'finger' contact just floats" because I didn't see the potential for interaction between the 2 rotary switches. As you point out, the inactive finger would get energized by its counterpart on the OTHER headlight motor if it weren't for the diode over there on its counterpart, which would otherwise keep both motors running continuously and cycling the housings continuously. IOW, it's to keep the local motor's ON/OFF logic local, and not to affect the other motor.

Thanks, again, Eric!

VidoP
 
Re: Headlights: How they work

Read this article HERE. (It's a PDF download) Full article on the subject with photos and description.

Enjoy!
 
Read this article HERE. (It's a PDF download) Full article on the subject with photos and description.

Enjoy!

I sooooo wish that I had had that writeup when I was first figuring this stuff out.... It is excellent.

BTW, similar logic will be found on other cars of similar vintage with pop-up headlights - the 308 Ferrari, for example, works the same way.
 
Some errors in the schematics

Thanks for the link to the PDF. I think the text may help in diag-
nosing the non-operation problem. But I do see some errors in the
schematics and text, and the photo is of a 1985 model motor and
not an earlier one that has the metal disc with the 2 arcing gaps cut
out of it.

The schematic (and even the Workshop Manual) doesn't show that the
innermost "finger" contact is NOT at the center of the disc, but rather
runs along a circular track nearest the center, and its contact with
the disc is interrupted by a gap whose beginnings and ends are
exactly 180°apart from those for the gap controlling the outermost
"finger" contact. Since these gaps extend less than 180°of arc, one of
those 2 "finger" contacts will always be in contact with the metal
disc. Since even the official Fiat schematics show the "lowering/
retracting" contact being at the center of the disc, it's not surprising
that the error is propagated by others. The official Fiat schematics do
show, though, that the arcing gaps are positioned exactly 180° apart.

And, as EricH pointed out in his recent reply to me, even if the rotary
switch gaps were exactly coordinated, one or both of the 2 activating
"finger" contacts would be sliding against the metal disc at all times,
and even in such a case of exact coordination, diodes would still be
needed to isolate the ON/OFF control of one motor from that of the
other.


VidoP
 
I don't think so

And, as EricH pointed out in his recent reply to me, even if the rotary
switch gaps were exactly coordinated, one or both of the 2 activating
"finger" contacts would be sliding against the metal disc at all times,

and even in such a case of exact coordination, diodes would still be
needed to isolate the ON/OFF control of one motor from that of the
other.
VidoP

What metal disks? I see only Nylon disks.
No one said the diodes are not needed.
It does say that the diodes would not be needed if there was only 1 motor. Not the case...
Do you have photos of what you're describing?
 
The write-up says (in part):

"The reason for the diodes:
If we had just one pod motor, diodes would not be needed. Refer to
Eric's picture of the two cam switches:
It can be seen that there is always at least one switch that connects
to the motor, and for most of the time, both switches connect to the motor.
[true so far, but the following doesn't apply]
The two motors are independent machines, and thus will always be slightly
different in performance, e.g. one might run slightly slower than the other.
magine we had no diodes, just straight wires. Everything would be fine if
the two motors always ran and parked precisely together every time. However,
if say the left hand motor gets a bit tired and gets just a tiny bit out of
phase with the other, this makes the right hand one park first, but the othe
is still powered and running. The l/h running motor, by virtue of the cam
switches..."

Your '85 headlight motor has cam switches, and I don't know exactly how
they work. The '74 headlight motor, which EricH has roughly diagrammed, has
a rotary switch consisting of 3 "finger" contacts which slide against the face
of a metal disc. The middle of the 3 contacts is always in contact with the
disc, and it transfers voltage from the disc to the relay coil to turn on
power to the motor. The left and right "finger" contacts control voltage to
the disc face. The circular tracks that those 2 "fingers" follow is each
interrupted by a gap in the metal of the disc that extends through about a
30° arc. White plastic that is flush with the disc face fills in the gaps.
The leading and trailing edges of thes gaps line up 180° out of phase with
each other - i.e. if you draw a line from the leading edge of one gap through
the center of the disc to the leading edge of the other gap, you will see that
the line is straight. But those gaps are NOT 180° in arc length, they are only
30° of arc, so through most of the disc's rotation, both left and right "finger"
contacts slide against the metal face of the disc. And that is why, as Eric
pointed out, the diodes are needed to keep the unused "finger" contact on one
metal disc from transferring voltage to the other metal disc and thereby
to mask the turnoff signal there which would otherwise be caused by the arrival
of the gap's leading edge. So even "if the two motors always ran and parked
precisely together every time", the diodes would still be needed. They are
not to compensate for slight misalignment or synchronization of the 2 motors'
rotary switch gaps.

I think part of the confusion results from the inaccurate factory diagrams,
and partly from the layout changing from year to year without documentation.
As I've seen in this forum, there are 2 versions of the rotary switch and diode
mounting that do not correspond to what I see in my '74 X1/9 - which I've
owned since early 1974. Since my car was made in December of 1973, it could
quite possibly even be unique. Unfortunately, I have no photos of the open
(or closed) rotary switch, and I have no digital camera.


VidoP
 
Sorry Vido... I fell asleep reading all this (I'm old), but...

If you did not include the use of "heat-sinks" whilst soldering or de-soldering... you can easily overheat the diodes and ruin them.

Being a child of the 60's, I've found a good use for my old "hemostats"... and affixing them BETWEEN the diode base and the heat source on each lead usually will help a great deal. Leave them on for a minute or two as well... so the heat travels into the 'stat and not to the diode itself.



These run a buck or two and I bet HF even carries some... and have many uses.

(BTW... in the 60's and beyond I only used these when working on electronics... and even convinced the customs folks of that when I returned from 'Nam. I guess my ET rate helped to convince them as well but it woulda been a lot easier if I was a Medic or a Corpsman...)
 
Well, I'm not sure what to say.

I had a 1974 back in the day, and it had 2 diodes per headlight motor, just like that late model cars. I don't remember taking apart the motor, but I do remember replacing the diodes that used heat shrink on one of the wires going to the switches of the motor.

If you can take photos, it would help. Otherwise, we can only imagine.

As far as I can see, the headlight circuit hasn't changed since day one.
If you believe otherwise, I'd be really interested in seeing how.
 
Nice writeup - but you didn't take any pics??? :rolleyes2: That would eliminate confusion over descriptions of the contact pads, etc....
 
I think part of the confusion results from the inaccurate factory diagrams,
and partly from the layout changing from year to year without documentation.
As I've seen in this forum, there are 2 versions of the rotary switch and diode
mounting that do not correspond to what I see in my '74 X1/9 - which I've
owned since early 1974. Since my car was made in December of 1973,

Original owner of 12/73 build car is indeed somewhat unique.

There are a few different headlight motors making the rounds (presumably different OEMs, as Fiat didn't make their own). I haven't tried taking them apart, but would not be at all suprised to find that the internal details of the rotary switch mechanism is different between them - multiple vendors and a fifteen-plus year production run. However, the wiring diagram and the basic principle of operation is the same for all of them (at least going all the way back to VIN 3269, the oldest that I own).
 
motor works, now - photos

A bad solder connection for the center "finger" contact turned out to be the 2nd problem.
I re-soldered that and now the right headlight goes up and down fine.

I also borrowed a camera and took some photos to illustrate my descriptions.
I had written:
The '74 headlight motor, which EricH has roughly diagrammed, has
a rotary switch consisting of 3 "finger" contacts which slide against the face
of a metal disc. The middle of the 3 contacts is always in contact with the
disc, and it transfers voltage from the disc to the relay coil to turn on
power to the motor. The left and right "finger" contacts control voltage to
the disc face. The circular tracks that those 2 "fingers" follow is each
interrupted by a gap in the metal of the disc that extends through about a
30° arc. White plastic that is flush with the disc face fills in the gaps.
The leading and trailing edges of thes gaps line up 180° out of phase with
each other - i.e. if you draw a line from the leading edge of one gap through
the center of the disc to the leading edge of the other gap, you will see that
the line is straight. But those gaps are NOT 180° in arc length, they are only
30° of arc, so through most of the disc's rotation, both left and right "finger"
contacts slide against the metal face of the disc.
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First, the cut-out arcs subtend about 38° (+- 2°), not 30° as I had written.
They can be seen in the above photo of the open rotary switch and you can see the
tracks of the 3 "finger" contacts. The track of the center "finger" is always in
contact with the metal plate, and the tracks of the other 2 "fingers" are
interrupted by the white gaps which have corresponding edges 180° out of phase
with each other. The disc turns counter-clockwise (as does the knob on the motor).
The LEFT "finger" (looking from outside of the cover) carries the LOWERING current,
and the RIGHT "finger" carries the RAISING current, and the CENTER "finger"
carries the CONSTANT current. (The mnemonics are simple, but the FIAT workshop
manual diagram has left and right reversed, although the wire colors are correct.)

In the photo, you can see that the left "finger" follows the innermost arc, and
the right "finger" follows the outermost arc. The position of the contacts are
such that the lowering current has just been interrupted by the inner gap.




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The above photo of the rotary switch with the cover on shows the Radio Shack
5-terminal terminal strip that supports the 2 diodes. (Please ignore the terrible
soldering job.) The black stuff is "liquid electrical tape". The terminal strip
is held by the lock nut for the screw which adjusts the pressure on the center
of the rotating disc (purpose unknown). Later X1/9s had support for the diodes
on the cover of the rotary switch, and even later X1/9s apparently had
cam-and-reed-switches in place of the rotating-metal-disc-with-sliding-contacts.

VidoP
 
Looks pretty good Vido,

I've never seen that type of motor setup before.
I had a 1974 X back in the day but never took the motor apart.
Thanks for posting those photos. :thumbsup:
 
I've never seen that type of motor setup before. . . .

It's well thought out (except for the physical mounting of the diodes), but 1960s technology. It really belongs in a museum.

I can imagine that the cost of fixing the pop-up shell and its linkage and then aligning everything after a front-end collision would be huge. That may be why no one designs pop-up headlights anymore. (Or maybe high bumper heights and high front ends make them unneeded.)

VidoP
 
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