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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 6 1999 at 12:25 PM[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<SCRIPT language=Javascript> <!-- var n54_em; n54_em = ""; n54_em = n54_em + "t";n54_em = n54_em + "w";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "k";n54_em = n54_em + "@";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "m";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "z";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "n";n54_em = n54_em + ".";n54_em = n54_em + "c";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "m"; document.write("Samantha MacInnes"); // --> </SCRIPT>Samantha MacInnes <NOSCRIPT> Samantha MacInnes </NOSCRIPT> [/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom colSpan=3><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->My new/old '78 has just had the master cylinder replaced and then bled, but just barely, but the brakes still go to the floor.
The former owner did all the work and it looks square to me, but upon having someone else talk about the possiblities of what went wrong, a reverse bleed was mentioned. Is this fact or fiction? And what the heck do I do for a "reverse bleed"?
Any advice is appreciated!!!
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 6 1999, 8:15 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I am not familiar with the exact term "reverse bleed" but what I do know is that if the pedal is still so soft, and you can locate no visible leaks in the system, step one would be to bleed the system again. Perhaps it was not done right - forward or otherwise
-Mac.
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 7 1999, 3:42 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->As far as I know a reverse bleed is pumping the brakefluid through the brake calipers into the system, though I never did it.
Is your brake pedal getting harder, when you are pumping? Are all the bleeding screws at the calipers O.K. (they tend to break and then bleeding is impossible)? What exactly did the former owner fix?
Bleeding on a X1/9 sucks because the masterbrakecylinder is pretty small to make braking easy even without powerbrakes. So you have to pump a long, long time to really get the air out of the whole system. If you don't do it carefully, you will have a soft brakepedal. Have you checked all braking components for leakage?
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 7 1999, 8:02 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hi Samantha:
As Markus noted your X1/9 is not a snap to bleed, and wait until you had to bleed the clutch slave cylinder, that's even more fun!!
Several years ago I bought a vacuum pump, I think the brand is Mighty-Vac (or something like that) anyway this device makes the bleeding procedures very easy.
Buy the one without the vaccum gage (you won't need it)and it should cost you about $20-$25 at any big auto parts store. Trust me, every time you use it you will be glad you bought it.
Good luck, Gilles
P.S. A tip to avoid sucking air trough the threads of the bleeder screw:
First remove the bleeder screw from the caliper,
then wrap some teflon tape over the bleeder screw threads and put the bleeder back into the caliper
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A frequent topic of discussion on many other I-car forums recently has been the speedbleeders available on the web and thru some vendors...
They seem to be a great concept in theory, but as we all know, that doesn't guarantee they'll be of any value in real application.
Has anyone here tried these yet, and what are your thoughts?
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 27 1999, 5:14 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 60px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->A new PepBoys store just opened up near me and I heard they carry SpeedBleeders in stock, sooooo I stopped by on my way home last night.
They did indeed have most sizes in stock for $13.99 per pair (this is about the same as mailorder with shipping). They are sold under the well known 'Russel' brand (the braided hose guys) as SpeedBleeders and the instructions appear to be the same as the orginals. More than likely they are the same just repackaged.
Anyway, I will be putting them in my Scorpion this weekend and will give an update afterwards. Unfortunately they didn't have the size 1/4"-28 to fit a bleeder repair kit that I had to put on one of my rear calipers I guess that the 'extra' one will be installed on my clutch slave!
If anyone is looking for a set, check out your local speed shop (you know, the ones with the Chevys and Mopars) for the Russel parts.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 28 1999, 5:20 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 90px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I couldn't wait until this weekend so I installed the front bleeders last night.
Man, these are cool.... Kinda expensive, but saves time and headaches.
The only trick to installation is to pull the old bleeder and replace with the new quickly to minimize the spilled fluid. I was able to bleed the fronts REAL quick. No spills or mess! I could have made my life easier by installing these BEFORE I asked my girlfriend to help bleed them lasst week!
I was skeptical haveing used the vacuum pumps, 2 person method and the 'one man' bleeder hose (purchasing then throwing away several over the years). Even with the teflon tape trick on the bleeders I found the pump just couldn't move the fluid fast enough to 'pull' oll of the air out.
These work the same as the 'one man' hose EXCEPT
a) they don't 'pop off' in the middle of quick pumps, spraying fluid all over your wheelwell.
b) the hose drains ALL of the fluid out after you are done! The 'one man' hoses don't allow the excess to drain out when storing them.
I found that repeated hard 'stabs' on the pedal, followed by a quick up stroke worked the best. This moves the largest amount of fluid in the shortest time and doesn't allow the air to 'rise' back up in the lines. The reservoir allows you to make about 20 such pumps before you need to refill.
Scorpions have as long (maybe longer) brake lines as an X, and usually take a LONG time to bleed. I was able to put about 1/2 quart of fluid though the front circuit in around 10 minutes. You HAVE to put that much though or there will be some small amount of air left in the system.
The pedal is now MUCH firmer than before. I thought I had them properly bled, HA!
Now I have to do the rears! Ulix or Mac, if you are going to buy some via mail order, can I piggy back 1 additional bleeeder on your order? (saves the shipping charge) I need a 1/4"-28 size for the brake bleeder repair I did that wasn't available locally (which also sells only pairs). Contact me directly if this is an option.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 6 1999 at 12:25 PM[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<SCRIPT language=Javascript> <!-- var n54_em; n54_em = ""; n54_em = n54_em + "t";n54_em = n54_em + "w";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "e";n54_em = n54_em + "k";n54_em = n54_em + "@";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "m";n54_em = n54_em + "a";n54_em = n54_em + "z";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "n";n54_em = n54_em + ".";n54_em = n54_em + "c";n54_em = n54_em + "o";n54_em = n54_em + "m"; document.write("Samantha MacInnes"); // --> </SCRIPT>Samantha MacInnes <NOSCRIPT> Samantha MacInnes </NOSCRIPT> [/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom colSpan=3><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->My new/old '78 has just had the master cylinder replaced and then bled, but just barely, but the brakes still go to the floor.
The former owner did all the work and it looks square to me, but upon having someone else talk about the possiblities of what went wrong, a reverse bleed was mentioned. Is this fact or fiction? And what the heck do I do for a "reverse bleed"?
Any advice is appreciated!!!
Samantha<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 6 1999, 8:15 PM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I am not familiar with the exact term "reverse bleed" but what I do know is that if the pedal is still so soft, and you can locate no visible leaks in the system, step one would be to bleed the system again. Perhaps it was not done right - forward or otherwise
-Mac.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 7 1999, 3:42 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->As far as I know a reverse bleed is pumping the brakefluid through the brake calipers into the system, though I never did it.
Is your brake pedal getting harder, when you are pumping? Are all the bleeding screws at the calipers O.K. (they tend to break and then bleeding is impossible)? What exactly did the former owner fix?
Bleeding on a X1/9 sucks because the masterbrakecylinder is pretty small to make braking easy even without powerbrakes. So you have to pump a long, long time to really get the air out of the whole system. If you don't do it carefully, you will have a soft brakepedal. Have you checked all braking components for leakage?
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[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]October 7 1999, 8:02 AM [/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px">
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hi Samantha:
As Markus noted your X1/9 is not a snap to bleed, and wait until you had to bleed the clutch slave cylinder, that's even more fun!!
Several years ago I bought a vacuum pump, I think the brand is Mighty-Vac (or something like that) anyway this device makes the bleeding procedures very easy.
Buy the one without the vaccum gage (you won't need it)and it should cost you about $20-$25 at any big auto parts store. Trust me, every time you use it you will be glad you bought it.
Good luck, Gilles
P.S. A tip to avoid sucking air trough the threads of the bleeder screw:
First remove the bleeder screw from the caliper,
then wrap some teflon tape over the bleeder screw threads and put the bleeder back into the caliper
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A frequent topic of discussion on many other I-car forums recently has been the speedbleeders available on the web and thru some vendors...
They seem to be a great concept in theory, but as we all know, that doesn't guarantee they'll be of any value in real application.
Has anyone here tried these yet, and what are your thoughts?
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->A new PepBoys store just opened up near me and I heard they carry SpeedBleeders in stock, sooooo I stopped by on my way home last night.
They did indeed have most sizes in stock for $13.99 per pair (this is about the same as mailorder with shipping). They are sold under the well known 'Russel' brand (the braided hose guys) as SpeedBleeders and the instructions appear to be the same as the orginals. More than likely they are the same just repackaged.
Anyway, I will be putting them in my Scorpion this weekend and will give an update afterwards. Unfortunately they didn't have the size 1/4"-28 to fit a bleeder repair kit that I had to put on one of my rear calipers
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial]<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I couldn't wait until this weekend so I installed the front bleeders last night.
Man, these are cool.... Kinda expensive, but saves time and headaches.
The only trick to installation is to pull the old bleeder and replace with the new quickly to minimize the spilled fluid. I was able to bleed the fronts REAL quick. No spills or mess! I could have made my life easier by installing these BEFORE I asked my girlfriend to help bleed them lasst week!
I was skeptical haveing used the vacuum pumps, 2 person method and the 'one man' bleeder hose (purchasing then throwing away several over the years). Even with the teflon tape trick on the bleeders I found the pump just couldn't move the fluid fast enough to 'pull' oll of the air out.
These work the same as the 'one man' hose EXCEPT
a) they don't 'pop off' in the middle of quick pumps, spraying fluid all over your wheelwell.
b) the hose drains ALL of the fluid out after you are done! The 'one man' hoses don't allow the excess to drain out when storing them.
I found that repeated hard 'stabs' on the pedal, followed by a quick up stroke worked the best. This moves the largest amount of fluid in the shortest time and doesn't allow the air to 'rise' back up in the lines. The reservoir allows you to make about 20 such pumps before you need to refill.
Scorpions have as long (maybe longer) brake lines as an X, and usually take a LONG time to bleed. I was able to put about 1/2 quart of fluid though the front circuit in around 10 minutes. You HAVE to put that much though or there will be some small amount of air left in the system.
The pedal is now MUCH firmer than before. I thought I had them properly bled, HA!
Now I have to do the rears! Ulix or Mac, if you are going to buy some via mail order, can I piggy back 1 additional bleeeder on your order? (saves the shipping charge) I need a 1/4"-28 size for the brake bleeder repair I did that wasn't available locally (which also sells only pairs). Contact me directly if this is an option.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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