Third brake light

Rogerthat

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In the U.S. starting in 1986 all cars had to have a third brake light. Did Bertone install a third brake light from the factory or were they installed at the U.S. dealerships? I have only seen one car from that era and the third brake light look like it was stolen from a GM product.
 
Mine is an '86 and

it did NOT have a 3rd brake light installed.
Many did, and those that did couldn't see out their rear view mirrors.

I chose an alternate route... (shown unfinished)
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I have an '86, and it does have the third brake light installed... looks like something sourced from JC Whitney, or possibly the WalMart auto accessory aisle... I have no idea if it was factory or dealer installed, but its perfectly positioned to completely block your view aft using the rear view mirror. Its on my list of things to remove and throw far, far away... ...as soon as I figure out how to register the car as an '85...
 
It's not that bad

I guess if you're not too tall, I'm 5.6 feet, but I must admit I hated it at first but learned to live with it. I use the side mirrors a lot and the third light does a great job of blocking xenon headlights if you do a lot of night driving. God I hate xenon headlights:mad4:. But if you get rid of it, Bob has the right idea, and I think any third light is a good idea, especially on a small car. Loud horns are good too!
Rolf..
 
same idea

My '86 did come with the huge OEM third tail light. I replaced it with a small, thin led light from JC Whitney. It doesn't block my vision and its bright enough to be helpful. What more could a guy ask for?
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cheers - dj
 
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I actually ADDED one to my '79...

... and to end all arguments about the effectiveness of rear wing spoilers... I simply call mine a "style-ized third brakelight mounting"!

(Hard to see here as some old, fat, bald-guy stole my car and didn't have his foot on the brake at the time... but it takes up about 18 inches along the center of the wing... I found it at JCW as a "universal" for about 90 bucks a few years back...)

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In the U.S. starting in 1986 all cars had to have a third brake light. Did Bertone install a third brake light from the factory or were they installed at the U.S. dealerships? I have only seen one car from that era and the third brake light look like it was stolen from a GM product.

It's a factory change, happened the same time the inside lamps moved to the door panels... Before the brake lamp the interior lamp was in the hole just above it.
I have a few that were removed because most of our clients complained that they could not see out the inside rear view mirror with the brake lamp installed!
 
It's a factory change, happened the same time the inside lamps moved to the door panels... Before the brake lamp the interior lamp was in the hole just above it.
I have a few that were removed because most of our clients complained that they could not see out the inside rear view mirror with the brake lamp installed!

I have one, removed it and wired up an interior light in its place. I now have 3 interior lights (including the doors). I can take it or leave and the 3rd interior light isn't all that useful but I won't put the break light back in.

I was sick of bobbing and weaving to see out the rear window although I usually only look out the back when backing up...

Question - I recall some time back that car insurance companies here in California at least would give you a discount if there was a 3rd break light? Can anyone comment on that?
 
I don't remember the "discount"...

... but I seem to remember that an insurance company initially bought and installed them on cars to determine if they did indeed reduce the number of rear-end accidents...

Maybe even a fleet of cars or rentals. They were really guady and ugly, as well as attention-getting...

Wiki says:

Centre High Mount Stop Lamp (CHMSL)

LED CHMSL retrofitted on a 1974 Valiant


In North America since 1986, in Australia and New Zealand since 1990, and in Europe (with the exception of Ireland) since 1998, a central brake lamp, mounted higher than the vehicle's left and right brake lamps and called a Centre High Mount Stop Lamp (CHMSL), is also required. The CHMSL (pronounced /ˈtʃɪmzəl/) is also sometimes referred to as the centre brake lamp, the third brake light, the eye-level brake lamp, the safety brake lamp, the high-level brake lamp, or the Liddy Light (for Elizabeth Dole, who as U.S. Secretary of Transportation presided over its introduction in the United States[50]). The CHMSL may produce light by means of a single central filament bulb, a row or cluster of filament bulbs or LEDs, or a strip of Neon tube.
The CHMSL is intended to provide a deceleration warning to following drivers whose view of the vehicle's left and right stop lamps is blocked by interceding vehicles. It also helps to disambiguate brake vs. turn signal messages in North America, where red rear turn signals identical in appearance to brake lamps are permitted, and also can provide a redundant brake signal in the event of a brake lamp malfunction. The CHMSL is required to illuminate steadily; it is not permitted to flash except in certain cases under severe braking.[51][52]
On passenger cars, the CHMSL may be placed above the back glass, affixed to the vehicle's interior just inside the back glass, or it may be integrated into the vehicle's deck lid or into a spoiler. Other specialised fitments are sometimes seen; the Jeep Wrangler and Land Rover Freelander have the CHMSL on a stalk fixed to the spare wheel carrier. Trucks, vans and commercial vehicles sometimes have the CHMSL mounted to the trailing edge of the vehicle's roof. The CHMSL is required by regulations worldwide to be centred laterally on the vehicle, though ECE R48 permits lateral offset of up to 15 cm if the vehicle's lateral centre is not coincident with a fixed body panel, but instead separates movable components such as doors.[15] The Renault Master van, for example, uses a laterally offset CHMSL for this reason. The height of the CHMSL is also regulated, in absolute terms and with respect to the mounting height of the vehicle's conventional left and right brake lamps.[53] Depending on the left and right lamps' height, the lower edge of the CHMSL may be just above the left and right lamps' upper edge.
[edit] History

The 1968–1971 Ford Thunderbird could be ordered with additional high-mounted brake and turn signal lights.[citation needed] These were fitted in strips on either side of its small rear window. The Oldsmobile Toronado from 1971-1978, and the Buick Riviera from 1974-1976 had dual high-mounted supplemental brake lights/turn signals as standard, and were located just below the bottom of the rear window, visually aligned with the conventional rear tail lights/brake lights/turn signals just above the rear bumper. These innovations were not widely adopted at the time. Auto and lamp manufacturers in Germany experimented with dual high-mount supplemental brake lamps in the early 1980s,[54] but this effort, too, failed to gain wide popular or regulatory support.
Early studies involving taxicabs and other fleet vehicles found that a third stop lamp reduced rear-end collisions by about 50%. The lamp's novelty probably played a role, since today the lamp is credited with reducing collisions by about 5%.[55]
In 1986, the United States National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Transport Canada mandated that all new passenger cars have a CHMSL installed. A CHMSL was required on all new light trucks and vans starting in 1994. CHMSLs are so inexpensive to incorporate into a vehicle that even if the lamps prevent only a few percent of rear end collisions they remain a cost-effective safety feature.[55]
 
replaced mine too

It was something cheep I picked up at an auto parts store, but it works very well. I need to come up with a better mounting system, but it'll work for now.
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Ya know Tom...

Its hard for me to tell for sure form here...

But it would appear that if ya cut a nice slim window-slot in the engine cover... it might mount nicely in there. Kinda easy to roll the edge also and then repaint in TRIM BLACK (or body color if yur inclined...) and would really look kinda "factory" too.

Just an idea... you have the time, definately the talent...
 
I remember being told that statistically third brake lights didn't reduce accidents. I wouldn't bother personally. I don't drive an X though (but an even smaller, shorter, less safe car....without a third brake light)
 
Well... statistically or not...

I sure NOTICED them when they first came out... and still do I think.

One of their other virtues is that they are usually mounted HIGHER so that it can be seen also through the glass of the cars following and the cars following them. This would be good, especially here in LA-LA-LAND when most "individuals" are texting or talking on cellphones... I ned all the help I can get!

(See my June 2007 accident where my wife and I were rearended by a uninsured "individual" doing 40 mph. Fast forward 2 1/2 years when it was finally settled...)

But with all the crap I see on the road today... and the lack of maintenance by many... having three lights to start with kinda assures maybe ONE will still be working after several years.

(I owned a couple of Hyundais once and found the QUALITY of their excellent MITZUBISHI designed engines and all their other parts virtually STUNK! CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP! I note quite often that KIAs and Hyundais can usually be found with half their lighting working! Don't get me started with BEARINGS, SEALS, and FUEL PUMPS! HA!)
 
Eye level brake light.

In Australia at least these are called "eye level" brake lights. Considering the height of the X and the popularity of SUVs (until recently) the disparity is so great that you would probably need to mount the thing on a pole to make it "eye level". for the majority of the traffic.

So I wouldn't bother. Another 15cms higher when the car behind you is 1m higher doesn't do too much. On the other hand, a LED brake lights in place of the standard ones is an effective and useful mod...

Cheers,
Dom.
 
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