Video of FIAT X1/9 at ASCOLI 2017

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I ran across this fun YouTube video. There are several of this car at various venues over the past couple of years. I guess the car has the Alfa engine out of the 4C and am posting here for the xweb collective to contribute more details.

Link to YouTube Video:

"Manuel Dondi and his crazy little Fiat X1/9, 2.0L engine (Alfa Romeo) during the Coppa Paolino Teodori 2017. External footage and onboard camera!"

I like this video because the tach and gear indicator are not blacked out like they are in some of the others. What a car.....WOW.

Hope you enjoy it.
 
I found this page by typing "Dondi Fiat X1/9" into Google. Nice X indeed. Regarding the engine, this page says:
Driven by current Touring Car Hillclimb Champion Manuel Dondi, the car is a Fiat X1/9 with racing-inspired aerodynamics and a 320 horsepower V6 engine lifted from an Alfa Romeo Super Tourenwagon racecar.
 
It would be interesting to see a full review of the car.
Curious what type of steering it has, to allow for such a small 'butterfly' wheel yet have so much input. And what trans, with finger paddle shifting. Plus how a V6 was shoehorned into it. So many questions.
 
Nice car, inspired driving, very professional quality vid - especially the sound - WOW.
It needs a disclaimer though..."Don't try this at home boys and girls!"
 
That blue would look quite nice on my flared X.
Looks like the front end was having trouble hooking up in turns.
 
The exxe chassis-suspension has this ability designed in since the very beginnings. This is what the exxe could have been, but was never allowed to be due to marketing politics at Fiat. This is what Bertone would have liked for their concept, but was never allowed directly due to the actions and intent of Fiat.

If one were to search youtube, there are LOTs of exxe videos like this illustrating the potential designed into the exxe, but remains mostly undiscovered, untapped and mostly unappreciated.

Consider for a moment if Fiat allowed this Bertone design to be fully and completely developed as a proper moto competition car, won nearly every event entered, defeated the Stratos & 131 Abarth Rally (yes, this could have been if the exxe was properly developed) in much the same way. What would this turn in moto history done to the current market value of the exxe and it's place in moto history?


Bernice
 
could have been, but was never allowed to be due to marketing politics
So true, for so many vehicles. Look at the concept versions, then the final production versions, of most cars. Such a vast difference, with little resemblance between them. All of the corporate decisions, politics, financial concerns, regulations, production issues, etc end up turning things completely around. From amazing to boring. To me that is what makes the hobby of customizing/modifying so great. You can build it the way it should have been.
 
Were any big name US racers running Xs back in the 70s? I don't think Cosentino ever raced Xs and don't recall anyone else doing it "back in the day".

Some companies get it and some don't. Nissan with the Datsun 510 and Zs, Mazda with the Miata, etc. They were not high end sports cars but did create a halo effect for the brand. Contrary to that, I don't know why Toyota runs Camrys in NASCAR, I can't imagine any Camry owner even knows about NASCAR.
 
Were any big name US racers running Xs back in the 70s? I don't think Cosentino ever raced Xs and don't recall anyone else doing it "back in the day".

Some companies get it and some don't. Nissan with the Datsun 510 and Zs, Mazda with the Miata, etc. They were not high end sports cars but did create a halo effect for the brand. Contrary to that, I don't know why Toyota runs Camrys in NASCAR, I can't imagine any Camry owner even knows about NASCAR.
There were some successful X racers back in the day. A few were well respected racers, but I don't think any could be called big name racers. Some that come to mind - Boig, Thomas, Reichenbach, ... (don't want to slight anyone by ommision). Al Cosentino certainly doesn't qualify as a big time racer.
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I don't think the X ever fit into any racing group that got a lot of publicity. It did very well in the sportsman type groups but it's engine was to small for TransAm, etc.
I think Toyota is more interested in selling pick-up trucks to NASCAR fans than they are selling them Camrys. But believe it or not, folks south of the Mason Dixson line do buy Camrys. Really, I've seen them.
 
SCCA big time racing?

There was a time when John Bishop turned SCCA into one of the largest moto competition venues in the US of A. Then some folks at SCCA decided SCCA will NOT be what John Bishop wanted SCCA to be... This is how IMSA was born.

Back then, SCCA was THE moto sports venue in the US of A for sports cars and similar road course vehicles. Keep in mind SCCA had deep connections to marketing sports cars of UK origins. This along with Fiat's non-interest in competitive brand image building in the US of A and SCCA politics stunted the success of competition motos from origins other than the UK or similar who were willing to "lobby" for their advantage in the SCCA circus ring.

Fiat had about ZERO interest in supporting any effort to promote the exxe via moto competition, this has been said-written about many, many, many times before (here on Xweb) and it remains why the exxe will always be perceived by the mass moto fans as a rusty cheap heap unworthy of anything other than the crusher.

Moto brands like Nissan-Datsun understood early on that PR via competition resulted in brand image building and selling their offerings. Know Datsun-Nissan was deeply influenced by British Leyland in their design, marketing and more. It is part of the origins of why Nissan-Datusn did their promo via SCCA. History says their marketing actions worked... good. Much the same was done by Porsche-Donahue-Penske, which resulted in the Porsche brand identity of today.

Again, what MUST be deeply understood is the fact-reality that technical excellence and content of a given moto can never make up for brand identity created by emotional effects of marketing.

BTW, this is precisely why 24 Hours of LeMons has become and remains a glowing success in the US of A as a moto venue. 24 Hours of LeMons is diametrically opposed to organizations like SCCA and similar.

Consider why the first six finishers in SCCA "Spec Miata" were disqualified in this fiasco. Watched this happen in real time at Laguna Seca, curiously entertaining to be there and experience this in real time..
https://jalopnik.com/so-many-spec-miatas-allegedly-cheated-that-seventh-plac-1645710255

Bernice
 
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Hi All,
If I remember correct Art Bayless raced a FIA gr4 Dallara chassis X19 in SCCA at Road Atlanta as class CSR.
A car prepared like that should be allowed in vintage racing???
Kent B
 
Reading this brings up lots of old memories. At one time SCCA was a very fun, affordable, realistic way to enjoy motorsports. But as said above, it changed. Then 'vintage racing' filled that void, being very much what SCCA used to be. However that has also gone the same route as SCCA did, becoming too political (and unaffordable) to be enjoyable. To some extent, many of the 'track day' or "HPDE" groups have served to fill the void for a fun and accessible way to enjoy your 'racer'. As have events like autocross, Lemons, NASA, etc. But it has definitely become increasingly difficult and expensive to just go out and have fun with a hobby car. It would be nice to see more events at local tracks where it's pretty much just a open track; pay a reasonable fee for the entire day, and drive your car on it as much as you like at any time throughout the day.
 
Doc, it explains why track days are so popular, probably guys who just want to so some light racing but can't afford "real" racing.

I can't understand the mentality of making well performing race cars ( 124 spider and X and even 850) and having no interest by the importer for some kind of encouragement for customers to race. Fiat had serious racing history in Europe through Abarth but nothing much happened here. Al clearly preferred sedan racing with his 600 based sedans and later the 128. Racing the cars after production had ceased probably does not help with the halo effect. Are any Abarth 500s or new spiders being raced in the SCCA?

Lemons racing and similar type events are purely for the racers, won't do anything for a manufacturer.
 
Track days are a more recent event as in the past decades, it was difficult for the mortal moto fan to get on a track due to liabilities and more. Car clubs would hold track day events like driver schools and similar which allowed club members to get track time. These events are GOOD for track owners as they keep the track active and brings in $ to help keep a track running and functional. There are legal liabilities-insurance and related involved and it takes track corner workers, emergency personnel and a LOT more to open a track for any event.

What often happens at track days (there is nearly always some self deceived, over confident Yahooo.000 that will scrunch-crunch their chosen ride requiring a flat bed truck ride home or worst serious bodily injury or fatality). This is a reality of track days and event organizers are very, very, very aware of this.

Decades ago, Fiat had NO interest or intent to cultivate a "sporting-racy" market image or brand identity for their US of A offerings. Fiat was interested in selling mass produced low cost passenger transportation as volume is required to keep a organization like Fiat A-float. Agnelli was never much of a fan for the US of A market and Fiat's connection with Nations that did not share political Ideologies-Doctrines with the US of A did not help at all.

If Fiat was deadly serious about moto competition in the US of A they could have easily put Abarth and all with a full on moto competition effort. The result of this would have been easily predictable as Abarth-Lancia produced several WRC trophies. Fiat would have $ lobbies organizations like SCCA, IMSA or made up their own series with their own funding. Real world significance should not be paid to the moto competition circus as it is much about show to produce an emotional response with it's audience resulting in enduring memories of who won resulting in the "Halo Effect" for the brand. Again, these moto event winners have no real significance to their mass produced offerings.

BTW, when FORD was running their FORD Escort in rally events, rally stages would so seriously trash the body-chassis-suspension the FORD rally folks would scrap the body-chassis after any rough events due to structural failures and more. Lancia procured several chassis, built them into rally motos, run them for a season then retire them.

24 Hours of LeMons is mostly about teams and drivers having a GOOD-FUN time, it is not about winning. IMO, this is what moto fan track events should be. What LeMons racing has done for manufactures aka brands is reveal just how terrible then really are as production offerings. What many believe and put faith into as their un-bust-able-reliable ride often results in the harsh and rude awaking of how poor some production cars are as endurance racers.
https://jalopnik.com/results-of-the-lemons-torture-test-volvo-alfa-saturn-30932294

There is a LOT more than just the moto being raced, there is an enormous amount of race prep, driver skill, team effort, organization, resources and MUCH more to do well at any moto event. The Moto itself is more often a minor aspect of the entire moto circus show.

IMO, production vehicle based racing-competition should not be considered unless the brand-manufacture is paying driver, team with full support to promote them. Exception would be events like LeMons where moto mods are mostly open and not restrained by silly rules. LeMons has ZERO tolerance to moto safety requirements and Yahoooo....0000 driving on track. There have been a few LeMons teams that have been banned from LeMons forever due to bad driver behavior on track. Bad-dangerous driving is not tolerated due to the duration of the event which runs for hour after after hour with a LOT of cars on track. Event duration means great potential for really bad stuff to happen if the drivers are not well behaved of if their LeMons track moto is a overly hot oily wad of metal and more. Then LeMons has post event stuff like sharing of food, track side antics and LeMons family fun. Then there are those who's LeMons moto demands extensive fixing to moto on.

Indeed, LeMons is much about drivers, teams, family, fun and more with much less emphasis on brand-manufactures. This is why LeMons IS so successful to this day.

Bernice

Doc, it explains why track days are so popular, probably guys who just want to so some light racing but can't afford "real" racing.

I can't understand the mentality of making well performing race cars ( 124 spider and X and even 850) and having no interest by the importer for some kind of encouragement for customers to race. Fiat had serious racing history in Europe through Abarth but nothing much happened here. Al clearly preferred sedan racing with his 600 based sedans and later the 128. Racing the cars after production had ceased probably does not help with the halo effect. Are any Abarth 500s or new spiders being raced in the SCCA?

Lemons racing and similar type events are purely for the racers, won't do anything for a manufacturer.
 
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