Dr.Jeff

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Today I got back to rebuilding the suspension parts and tried installing new rubber bushings into the front main arms (pics to follow). The new bushes are from a aftermarket manufacturer (Delphi) and feel noticeably firmer rubber than the stock Fiat ones. Therefore that may have something to do with my difficulty installing them. Hopefully that also makes them work a bit better once installed.

Oddly I've never had to replace these specific bushes on a X before. Done it many times on other makes of vehicles with no problems. But these were a real chore. The first attempt was how I usually do it, by placing the arm and bush in a large bench vice and squeezing them together. Even with trying all the tips and tricks I know they would not go in. So I looked on Xweb and found a couple of related threads:
Apparently I'm not the only one having difficulty installing these bushings.

The second attempt was with a gear puller/installer type tool; one with multiple arms and a threaded driver. And the suspension arm secured in a bench vice. That allowed me to keep both hands free from holding parts, so I could help guide the bush in with more tools. But I still could not get them installed. The size and shape of the outer "lips" are very overkill and keep things from going past the edge of the arm opening.

At that point I decided to make a installation tool patterned after the Fiat factory tool (#A74225), as seen in the factory workshop manual....
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The concept is simple. It has a tapered sleeve or "funnel" (#2, red lines) that squeezes the rubber bush (#4) as it is pushed down into the arm (#3), by a plunger (purple arrow). A fixture (#5) holds the funnel against the arm (at the blue line) while the bushing is pushed down:
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I decided this likely will get used only once so I made a tapered sleeve from a piece of scrap plastic (nylon) rod:
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And simply placed it on top of the arm while pressing down on the bush with a hydraulic press. But the tapered sleeve would not stay against the arm with the high loads of the 'squeezed' rubber as it passed through.

So I made a little bracket assembly to hold the tapered sleeve and arm together [the numbers correspond to the ones in the illustration above]. Note - the following pics were taken after the new bush (#4) was installed, and things reassembled for illustration purposes. Therefore it is not quite correct here:
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With this extra hardware in place a driver of some sort was needed to press the bush straight down without deforming it (using the hydraulic press). I just used a bolt with a heavy washer:
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With some lube the rubber bushing slid into the suspension arm rather easily:
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To install the metal spacer sleeve into the new rubber bush I made a simple pilot driver tool. Basically a long bolt with a tapered "bullet nose" piece on it to force the sleeve into the rubber hole (also using the press):
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Metal spacer sleeve installed:
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Completed installation with mounting bolt in place:
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Although it took me half a day to fab these things up and finally get the bushings installed, I had already spent that long with failed prior attempts. So I guess it was worth the effort. Honestly I don't see how they can be done without such a tool of some type. I recall a comment somewhere on the forum saying "you just shove the end in and squeeze it into the arm". I highly doubt that happened. However if the bushings I have are indeed firmer, then they might be more difficult than others? Sheesh, a whole day spent on nothing but this little task. No wonder my Fiat projects take sooo much longer than my others. :p
 
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I bought aftermarket arm assemblies that included a new ball joint. Looks like it was $150 well spent, 🤣. I do have the bushings from a "kit" I bought from a member here. I may still try in the future so this is good info.
 
Today I got back to rebuilding the suspension parts and tried installing new rubber bushings into the front main arms (pics to follow). The new bushes are from a aftermarket manufacturer (Delphi) and feel noticeably firmer rubber than the stock Fiat ones. Therefore that may have something to do with my difficulty installing them. Hopefully that also makes them work a bit better once installed.

Oddly I've never had to replace these specific bushes on a X before. Done it many times on other makes of vehicles with no problems. But these were a real chore. The first attempt was how I usually do it, by placing the arm and bush in a large bench vice and squeezing them together. Even with trying all the tips and tricks I know they would not go in. So I looked on Xweb and found a couple of related threads:
Apparently I'm not the only one having difficulty installing these bushings.

The second attempt was with a gear puller/installer type tool; one with multiple arms and a threaded driver. And the suspension arm secured in a bench vice. That allowed me to keep both hands free from holding parts, so I could help guide the bush in with more tools. But I still could not get them installed. The size and shape of the outer "lips" are very overkill and keep things from going past the edge of the arm opening.

At that point I decided to make a installation tool patterned after the Fiat factory tool (#A74225), as seen in the factory workshop manual....
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The concept is simple. It has a tapered sleeve or "funnel" (#2, red lines) that squeezes the rubber bush (#4) as it is pushed down into the arm (#3), by a plunger (purple arrow). A fixture (#5) holds the funnel against the arm (at the blue line) while the bushing is pushed down:
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I decided this likely will get used only once so I made a tapered sleeve from a piece of scrap plastic (nylon) rod:
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And simply placed it on top of the arm while pressing down on the bush with a hydraulic press. But the tapered sleeve would not stay against the arm with the high loads of the 'squeezed' rubber as it passed through.

So I made a little bracket assembly to hold the tapered sleeve and arm together [the numbers correspond to the ones in the illustration above]. Note - the following pics were taken after the new bush (#4) was installed, and things reassembled for illustration purposes. Therefore it is not quite correct here:
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With this extra hardware in place a driver of some sort was needed to press the bush straight down without deforming it (using the hydraulic press). I just used a bolt with a heavy washer:
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With some lube the rubber bushing slid into the suspension arm rather easily:
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To install the metal spacer sleeve into the new rubber bush I made a simple pilot driver tool. Basically a long bolt with a tapered "bullet nose" piece on it to force the sleeve into the rubber hole (also using the press):
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Metal spacer sleeve installed:
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Completed installation with mounting bolt in place:
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Although it took me half a day to fab these things up and finally get the bushings installed, I had already spent that long with failed prior attempts. So I guess it was worth the effort. Honestly I don't see how they can be done without such a tool of some type. I recall a comment somewhere on the forum saying "you just shove the end in and squeeze it into the arm". I highly doubt that happened. However if the bushings I have are indeed firmer, then they might be more difficult than others? Sheesh, a whole day spent on nothing but this little task. No wonder my Fiat projects take sooo much longer than my others. :p
Very nicely done!

Let me know when you want to off load your onetime use tool… I have two sets of these to do in my future. Thanks!
 
I did it the easy way back in 2000 and used 2-piece poly bushings from the Montehospital. https://shop.montehospital.com/susp...front-track-control-arm-bushes-axle-set-p-530
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I saw your post in one of the older threads. I think those two-piece items are a much better option. My only concern might be the firmness (or harshness) of a urethane bushing for a street-only car. But that will completely depend on the "duro" hardness of the urethane used to make them. Did yours indicate the rating? The only other urethane ones that I'm aware of are from VAS and I could not get any info about them from that source - as usual.

On a side note, I think urethane is a much better choice for the other front suspension bushings. The ones at the forward end of the "track rod" (trailing arm), where they mount to the chassis. Those tend to distort and go bad in very short time. And that location also makes a difference on the alignment settings (and therefore handling). Again, the duro of the urethane used will make a difference in comfort/feel, but not as much as it will for the main bushings (as in the topic of this thread).
 
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I bought aftermarket arm assemblies that included a new ball joint. Looks like it was $150 well spent, 🤣. I do have the bushings from a "kit" I bought from a member here. I may still try in the future so this is good info.
I also have a set of brand new arms, original items from Fiat. Those will go onto my other build.

The arms I'm posting about here are from a very low mileage car that was well cared for. So the ball joints are in excellent shape. And actually the bushings were not bad either (see my comment about this in a later post). But I decided since I have them off the car and I'm servicing the ball joints and installing new boots, then I might as well replace the bushings...normally a easy job (but not here o_O).
 
I believe the reason I am just now doing these bushings for the first time is because the stock ones tend to last longer than one might think. When you visually inspect the bushings on the car all you can see is the outer surface of the lip that protrudes beyond the sides of the arm. And that will look dry and cracked, giving you the impression they are perished. However if you go to the trouble of removing the arms from the car and inspect them closer you'll likely find the rest of the rubber is in great shape. Since that outer exposed edge really isn't critical for their function, the old bushings can usually be reused with no issues. As I mentioned before, the other front bushings at the forward end of the trailing/radius/track arms is a different story.

It is really the ball joint that you need to worry about on the main arms. If they are worn there's no way to replace it without replacing the entire arm...with new bushings already installed. So that usually determines the fate of the bushings more than the bushes themselves.

Add to that, a few years ago I was able to buy some brand new arms for a great price. So I've never had a need to replace just the rubber bushings in this location.
 
Dont be concerned by the initial post here folks. The sky is not falling.....

I have myself installed new bushings in an X1/9 front control arm.....with NO special tools.....and while not super easy.....a hack like myself was able to do it without difficulties.....in a cheap bench vise.

Make sure the inner eye of the control arm is somewhat smooth and free from old rubber and rust and kaka. Then simply soak the bushing and eye in some warm soapy water - i used dish soap - and start to press the bushing in. You will have to pry - with a dull screwdriver or something - the outer lip of the bushing into the control arm as you continue to press. It will soon start to fully press in fairly easily. When the rubber starts to press through enough, you will then have to put a socket or something on the back side of the arm to allow the bushing lips to pop out the back side.

I have heard from many members here who bought my suspension re-fresh kits and have successfully installed these bushings.

So...either the initial poster here is just not using the proper technique...or more likely....his difficulty can be traced to these admissions:

"The new bushes are from a aftermarket manufacturer (Delphi) and feel noticeably firmer rubber than the stock Fiat ones. Therefore that may have something to do with my difficulty installing them."

"I bought mine from a European parts supplier (not a Fiat specialist) and they were readily available for less than two dollars each."

I CAN tell you there are several Fiat bushings that kinda all look similar. Like ones from a 131 or something. And are kinda close but just not right. Or are just poorly made aftermarket crap that have incorrect dimensions and/or rubber stiffness.

More than likely.....the bushings the initial poster here was trying to install were just not right..and led to the difficulties he had trying to install them..let alone how they would function after that.....I can tell from the above pics that those bushings were just not right....

PROPER quality proven bushings of the right size and firmness are indeed available easily from our trusted X1/9 vendors. From one source at under $3 each.....and from another at under $4 each. Given that....why on earth would one search the web for hours only to end up with a crap part that might kinda work after wasting a full day struggling with them ?? 😪 Really ???

I do have the bushings from a "kit" I bought from a member here. I may still try in the future so this is good info.
Let me know when you want to off load your onetime use tool… I have two sets of these to do in my future. Thanks!

Dont worry......those bushings came from me.....and they WILL install easily. As long as the ball joint portion of your existing control arms have no play...I would urge you to freshen them by cleaning out the old grease , re-grease with my quality moly grease, install a new boot, and replace the inner bushing. Then the arm will be like new and good for many more years of service. I do indeed think that is better than simply buying a new control arm. Way cheaper..and the original arms seem to be much better quality than the currently available new aftermarket replacements !!
 
Dont be concerned by the initial post here folks. The sky is not falling.....

I have myself installed new bushings in an X1/9 front control arm.....with NO special tools.....and while not super easy.....a hack like myself was able to do it without difficulties.....in a cheap bench vise.

Make sure the inner eye of the control arm is somewhat smooth and free from old rubber and rust and kaka. Then simply soak the bushing and eye in some warm soapy water - i used dish soap - and start to press the bushing in. You will have to pry - with a dull screwdriver or something - the outer lip of the bushing into the control arm as you continue to press. It will soon start to fully press in fairly easily. When the rubber starts to press through enough, you will then have to put a socket or something on the back side of the arm to allow the bushing lips to pop out the back side.

I have heard from many members here who bought my suspension re-fresh kits and have successfully installed these bushings.

So...either the initial poster here is just not using the proper technique...or more likely....his difficulty can be traced to these admissions:

"The new bushes are from a aftermarket manufacturer (Delphi) and feel noticeably firmer rubber than the stock Fiat ones. Therefore that may have something to do with my difficulty installing them."

"I bought mine from a European parts supplier (not a Fiat specialist) and they were readily available for less than two dollars each."

I CAN tell you there are several Fiat bushings that kinda all look similar. Like ones from a 131 or something. And are kinda close but just not right. Or are just poorly made aftermarket crap that have incorrect dimensions and/or rubber stiffness.

More than likely.....the bushings the initial poster here was trying to install were just not right..and led to the difficulties he had trying to install them..let alone how they would function after that.....I can tell from the above pics that those bushings were just not right....

PROPER quality proven bushings of the right size and firmness are indeed available easily from our trusted X1/9 vendors. From one source at under $3 each.....and from another at under $4 each. Given that....why on earth would one search the web for hours only to end up with a crap part that might kinda work after wasting a full day struggling with them ?? 😪 Really ???




Dont worry......those bushings came from me.....and they WILL install easily. As long as the ball joint portion of your existing control arms have no play...I would urge you to freshen them by cleaning out the old grease , re-grease with my quality moly grease, install a new boot, and replace the inner bushing. Then the arm will be like new and good for many more years of service. I do indeed think that is better than simply buying a new control arm. Way cheaper..and the original arms seem to be much better quality than the currently available new aftermarket replacements !!
Sorry to spoil your party, but several of your assumptions are incorrect. However feel free to add any comments you desire. :)
 
Just for completeness for future on-lookers, there's SuperPro ones too :)
Thank you, I'd completely forgotten that EuroSport offers them. ;) Looking at their listing and the one from Monte Hospital I do not see any shore (duro) ratings. But that is not uncommon with urethane products in general. It would be nice to get some idea how they compare in terms of firmness. :)
 
I did it the easy way back in 2000 and used 2-piece poly bushings from the Montehospital. https://shop.montehospital.com/susp...front-track-control-arm-bushes-axle-set-p-530
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I saw your post in one of the older threads. I think those two-piece items are a much better option.

Ummm....well at first it may appear that these 2 piece poly bushings are a nice upgrade...well.....NO...in my opinion...they are not !!

You have to consider how this control arm bushing works in this application. The stock Fiat rubber bushing is in essence bonded to the control arm and steel sleeve...and accommodates suspension movement by only twisting the rubber. Thus there is NO movement - or wear - or slop - between the rubber and the steel - as the suspension not only pivots in one plane...but also moves in another arc front to back....The stock rubber stiffness is carefully engineered and quite firm. The Fiat engineers knew what they were doing in regards to lifespan, ride, isolation, and proper wheel control...

It would appear the 2 piece poly design allows ta twisting sliding motion between the poly and the steel....and that is not good.....would lead to wear and slop and a short life....In addition..it would seem the supplied steel bushings are wrongly sized...leading to more slop. It might work if the X1/9's suspension arm only traveled in one plane...but it doesn't !!

My take on this....stick to the stock type rubber bushing. You dont believe me ? Just ask Steve H. - the X1/9 suspension guru. Or i would urge you read this entire post - and the "spooky handling" post that is linked there.....before "upgrading" to those expensive poly bushings:

 
Once again, some incorrect assumptions. However we all have our own views and opinions. And all are welcome by me. ;)
 
would lead to wear and slop and a short life.
Seen this time after time on all kinds of car. Maybe there is somebody out there who can DESIGN a poly bush that acts like rubber but I doubt it. Your point about "in essence bonded" is correct and that arises from inherent properties of rubber. Poly does not grab steel as rubber does so always ends up rotating = wear. Yes, new poly bushes reduce compliance but in most cases they are a transient fashion statement :)
 
Seen this time after time on all kinds of car. Maybe there is somebody out there who can DESIGN a poly bush that acts like rubber but I doubt it. Your point about "in essence bonded" is correct and that arises from inherent properties of rubber. Poly does not grab steel as rubber does so always ends up rotating = wear. Yes, new poly bushes reduce compliance but in most cases they are a transient fashion statement :)
Just received my bushes from Super Pro and they were black not blue as in most adds. I contacted Super Pro for an explanation and apparently the black are for street and the blue for track. I would assume the black is softer.
 
Just received my bushes from Super Pro and they were black not blue as in most adds. I contacted Super Pro for an explanation and apparently the black are for street and the blue for track. I would assume the black is softer.
Super Pro offers a choice of "street" or "track"? That's great news. By chance do you have their part numbers handy?
 
Correct for rubber bushes in general including very large as used in some heavy vehicle arms. And God help you if somebody on the shop floor [in ignorance] decides that grease would make the job easier....
unless it's silicone / rubber grease (as you would use when fitting new seals to a brake master cylinder - for example)

A good soak in hot water before attempting installation is kinda the key here, and making sure the insides of the control arm where the bushing is to go is scrupulously cleaned, and also using the correct type of rubber grease.

I've always been able to do it just using a bench vice and sockets, admittedly the 128 coupe/X19 and 131 type bushes with the squared off ends are more difficult then say 128 sedan/127 bushes, but they still go in using the same method.

+1 on the don't like urethane bushes in this application, while urethane is a great material for some applications like an engine mount or rack mount, using them in a place that requires any rotation isn't one of them. I've seen far more (quite quickly) failed urethane bushes than I've seen ones that lasted in this application.

The correct rubber bush is readily available, and the exact same bush is used in several Fiat light commercial vehicles, the rubber is noticeably quite firm as standard

SteveC
 
I like Dr. Jeff's ingenuity of designing and making a tool. I am doing the same project and I was this close to asking my machine shop buddy to make essentially what Dr. Jeff made for himself, with the uber-essential item being the inner taper guide sleeve that persuades the bushing to squash to the inside diameter of the arm.

However, a trip to Home Depot for the smallest plumbing coupler https://www.lowes.com/pd/Fernco-1-1...ded-Specialty-Coupling-PVC-Fitting/1000075351, discarding the rubber and only using the stainless outer shell, replacing the included worm gear clamps with smaller ones, and a lot of lube on a bench vise, the right sized sockets as pushers and receivers, and Robert is my Mother's Brother.

The inner steel sleeve can be persuaded in likewise if you use the correct size of wire nut preceeding it thru the hole in the rubber bushing.

And Dr. Jeff's observation that the old bushings' outer appearance looks A LOT worse that it really is, is true. I did notice on mine that on the removed original bushings, the center hole was no longer central to the round shape of the bushing--it was eccentrically displaced.
 
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