What to do with the roof? What has been done?

Discussion in 'Discussion Forum' started by Bobkat, Jan 10, 2020.

  1. Bobkat

    Bobkat 1979 x1/9

    Location:
    Calgary Alberta
    The side scoops could be designed to stay inside the x b pillars also. Make if functional but clean.
     
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  2. Bobkat

    Bobkat 1979 x1/9

    Location:
    Calgary Alberta
    So I really should find a second roof to fool around with. I will be scanning the back of the car for some modifications but I still find it easier to work with real parts to work out ideas.
     
  3. Dr.Jeff

    Dr.Jeff True Classic

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    Sin City
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  4. AKimball92

    AKimball92 True Classic

    Here is a pic of an X1/9 doing what I think you are talking about. This is one of my work desktop backgrounds.
    Bertone-Fiat_X1_9_mp342_pic_85170.jpg
     
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  5. Dr.Jeff

    Dr.Jeff True Classic

    Location:
    Sin City
    I don't think that is quite what I envisioned.

    For the rear lip idea, I was thinking a small longitudinal band across the back edge of the top that directs some airflow downward. Along the general lines of this, but more refined, smaller, and sculpted to the X's top (see arrows):

    Carbon-Fiber-FRP-Top-Roof-Spoiler-Wing-Lip-Fit-For-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-02-07.jpg

    And for the "B" pillar scoops, I'm referring to this aspect of the RS2000, added to the sides of the X's targa bar:

    ford-rs200-evolution-1986.jpg
     
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  6. Dr.Jeff

    Dr.Jeff True Classic

    Location:
    Sin City
    I've seen that pic, great car. If you look at the rear pillars, it has a plexi rear window that extends back over part of the engine bay (red arrow). That works in combination with the large roof scoop. The air is brought from the top and into the extended rear cover to direct it over the engine (lime arrow). Very effective for bringing cool air to the engine bay, but a bit too much for what I had in mind.

    Bertone-Fiat_X1_9_mp342_pic_85170.jpg
     
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  7. Bobkat

    Bobkat 1979 x1/9

    Location:
    Calgary Alberta
    is there any more info on this car anywhere?
     
  8. Bobkat

    Bobkat 1979 x1/9

    Location:
    Calgary Alberta
    I like Dr. Jeffs and AKimball92 ideas so worked out a little sketch. Maybe extending the B pillars like the icsunonove and adding a stratos style wing to direct some air down and then remake the engine cover with some louvers.

    x_wing and louvers_sm.jpg
     
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  9. Daniel Forest

    Daniel Forest True Classic

    Location:
    Montreal,Canada
    Just Google Mike Kason x19...
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  10. Bobkat

    Bobkat 1979 x1/9

    Location:
    Calgary Alberta
    Found this one off Miura targa. This looks like ideas that would work on the X. two sides scoops on the pillars maybe some louvers between? Also I was wondering how to get more air over the radiator and this would also make an elegant solution.

    lamborghini-miura-roadster.jpg lamborghini-miura-roadster2.jpg
     
  11. Dr.Jeff

    Dr.Jeff True Classic

    Location:
    Sin City
    The Miura is one of my all time favorite cars. I have a bunch of photos I took of various design details that I love about it. Even on the stock version, those side scoops are terrific. I think they could be incorporated into the X's stock B-pillar/targa bar.

    I posted a bunch of different side scoops styles I like from other great car designs in the referenced "design" thread. Many of them are located down lower on the side panels, especially on more modern models, but some are up on the piller. However those typically have long rearward extending pillars, with more panel space for a big scoop running horizontally. For the X I'd prefer to keep it shorter and have the scoops more vertical.

    If you built a lengthened rear extension for the X's B-pillar ("fastback" look), how about a clear cover in between them over the engine? I have some good examples of that on various supercars...great look.
     
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  12. mkmini

    mkmini True Classic

    Location:
    Latvia
    It’s late, so I’ll just post these picture as reply to few previous comments.
    5AE3D694-B94B-4962-ADFF-1D3643B242BB.jpeg 502FC94F-315E-489B-B602-2810C8BC9D94.png
     
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  13. Dr.Jeff

    Dr.Jeff True Classic

    Location:
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    I'd love to see how that red car turns out. The pillar scoop (yellow arrow) is exactly what we've been referring to, but the large side scoop (black arrow) has been the primary topic in the other "design" thread.

    5AE3D694-B94B-4962-ADFF-1D3643B242BB.jpg
     
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  14. Bobkat

    Bobkat 1979 x1/9

    Location:
    Calgary Alberta
    is there any more info on that red car?
     
  15. mkmini

    mkmini True Classic

    Location:
    Latvia
    Saved this photo ~year ago. Am not at PC. You could try to searc on google by image. Have no idea where I found it
     
  16. mkmini

    mkmini True Classic

    Location:
    Latvia
    no results on google, maube I found it on facebook or instagram, they aren’t connected to google I think.
     
  17. lookforjoe

    lookforjoe True Classic

    I like them also - I don't see any way of making scoops in the targa sail unless you widen the whole side of the car to get the lines to flow, which appears to be what is going on with the red X on the dolly. Not sure about the way they have had to bring the extension all the way from the back of the front fenders to get it to flow - would need o see more overall pics from various angles. After a point, it's just not an X anymore. Dallara is already borderline IMO - but does retain enough of the stock panel lines to keep the "feel" of an X.
     
  18. lookforjoe

    lookforjoe True Classic


    Going OT - his pics illustrate why the Dallara needs the side bars and pinstripes (I will get around to eventually) - they help break up the nose extension especially

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  19. Dr.Jeff

    Dr.Jeff True Classic

    Location:
    Sin City
    I haven't tried any cardboard mock-ups or anything to see, but I'm thinking the scoops could come out to the sides as they come down and then curve back toward the body as they reach the quarter panels. Sort of like this:

    ring-brothers-adrnln-10 - Copy.jpg

    Or maybe don't try to sculpt it into the body lines, and make it a 'add-on' performance scoop. Something like this:

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  20. Bobkat

    Bobkat 1979 x1/9

    Location:
    Calgary Alberta
    This is what I am thnking. I would like to keep it kind of classic looking. The Miura targa has the scoops coming out fairly far but still come back in to a narrow body Miura. I think like the Targa Miura the fastback look can be achieved by making them an add on not integrated into the body. I would be out in the garage scanning and taking better photos but it is -32 in there today.
     

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