Creeping shifter vagueness

Discussion in 'Front Wheel Drive Fiats' started by bark, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. bark

    bark Low Mileage

    Location:
    Madison, Wisconsin
    Hi folks, I'm noticing increasing shifter vagueness in my 128 sedan, meaning difficulty finding gears, etc. sometimes. Do you all have experience in which parts tend to wear out? I had the car up on a rack and see the rubber boot underneath the shifter has fallen apart, as has the rubber boot protecting a selector rod entering the gearbox. I reckon replacing the rubber coupling is a good idea. What else? Or should I just take everything apart and replace whatever looks bad / I can manage to find? Thank you. b-
     
  2. JimD

    JimD Waiting for Godot... Moderator

    Location:
    Missouri, USA
    If by "rubber coupling" you mean the "shift linkage" or "lollipop", then yes. That is a wear item, especially is the rubber bits all around it are disintegrating. You could start by checking to be sure the lollipop bolts properly connected, but given the price of the part, a new one is a small investment. Maybe even get a new bolt and bushing set.
     
  3. carl

    carl True Classic

    Location:
    Virginia
    The 128 shifter is mechanically just like the X shifter. The bushing on the bottom of the shift lever is not usually a worn item but worth looking at. Look for lateral play between the shift lever and the shift arm (the arm that goes from the shift lever to the gearbox). Sometimes all that's needed is tightening of the bolt at that joint. Now look at the more problematic area, the joint between the shift arm and the lever coming out of the gear box. Again, I look for lateral play between the two and tighten the bolt until there isn't any. This bolt does wear so maybe you just need a new one as Jim suggests. The lollipop should be examined while you are down there and there definitely should not be any movement from one end of that unit to the other end ( I had one fall about on my 128 about two miles from my house so now I always run a bolt through any lollipop on my X or 128).
     
  4. bark

    bark Low Mileage

    Location:
    Madison, Wisconsin
    One thing it's started doing is popping up out of reverse. Not the gearbox itself (reverse gear is still engaged), just the lever pops up...maybe that's the bushing you mention at the bushing on the bottom of the shift lever?
    As forthe more problematic area, I presume I can access that w/o opening the gearbox?

    And now for the idiot question...is it safe to jack these cars under the transmission case or must one use the frame jack points on either side behind the front wheels? I thank you! b-
     
  5. carl

    carl True Classic

    Location:
    Virginia
    I would not jack under the trans to lift the car, the motor/trans is attached to the chassis via three rubber mounts and putting that stress on the mounts would not be great. With a 128 I would put the jack on the engine support beam that goes front to rear and then put some jackstands on the outer sill pinch welds behind the front wheels. Everything I mentioned is easily accessible under the car. Never heard of your fifth gear issue, maybe the shifter assembly that your gear lever goes into is worn.
     
  6. bark

    bark Low Mileage

    Location:
    Madison, Wisconsin
    Yeah, the car is lowered so much I can’t get a jack back far enough to raise from that point. Oh, for a lift!
     
  7. carl

    carl True Classic

    Location:
    Virginia
    My previous X was low enough in the rear I had to use one jack on the side sill to get the rear high enough to get a jack on the normal jack point on the engine support. Get some boards to drive up on to get the front end up.
     

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